What would of happened in Tural in Original Timeline?

[Hesitate89]

In the Original Timeline where G'raha came from using the CT where WoL passes away.
We currently in Altered Future, we never knew what happened to the World in that timeline since.

Did the Rite of Succession happen? where Wuk Lamat fails because they didn't have WoL? but in this timeline Zoraal Ja still succeeds in opening the gate?
Did both these events happen in both timelines? creating crossroad of time?

[Anonymoose]

We've seen a lot of variance in how far a Calamity's impact reaches, but when Urianger was laundering the Crystal Exarch's story through a supposed vision, he said that,

Faced with defeat, the Garleans turned to a weapon most vile─Black Rose. Its potency defied all reckoning. Once released, the gas took on a life of its own, wreaking untold carnage not only in Eorzea, but in the provinces of the Empire besides. From fighters upon the front lines to babes in their beds, none were spared. And as the casualties became too numerous to count, so did the fabric of civilization begin to unravel.

Nor did the land itself escape unscathed. For spreading from the site of its release, Black Rose brought death to the very soil. To survive amidst the chaos and upheaval, men came to live by the sword, the rule of law giving way, inevitably, to the rule of might.

Thus was the spark struck and the fire kindled, and swiftly did it spread, as a blaze in a field of straw, to engulf every corner of the world. Nations worthy of the name did then cease to exist. And those souls brave and true, who might have risen to restore order...were no more. For the weapon spared not one. Not even thee.

So, I imagine Tuliyollal fell apart before the Rite of Succession could be a thing.

[NegativeS]

The 8th Calamity in the original timeline was shortly after the events of Stormblood. Like Anonymoose said, it pretty much dismantled all civilization across the world.

However, this was not the end of life on the star, as after the CT was sent back in time, apparently people started to rebuild civilization under the guidance of Midgardsormr.

So, maybe some of Tural survived? But definitely not their nation.

[Hesitate89]

Possibly Tural survived? and Descendants Ironworks who finished The CT augmentation using Omega, teleportation happened 200 years after the Black Rose event.

Graha going back in time, reversed a rejoining of the a Shard, this may had major consequences splitting timelines? and now there are 2? Since this is first time ever reversal of a shard, since the splitting of them in sundering.

What if there was always 2 Timelines? When Sundering happened, one of Astral one of Umbral? One where 9th rejoined? One where 12th rejoined? Different polarity of Calamity of Lightning.

story element from Final Fantasy XIII-2. The Time Gates are connected via the Historia Crux and by stepping into a Time Gate, one can travel through time to a specific location. In order to activate a Time Gate, one must possess the necessary artefact.

What if the Cup was the Artifact they needed, or the Crown? Artifacts used to Open 7th Gate?

During Trial 2 did we happen to be transported to Historia Crux of FFXIV.


Etro appears as the goddess of death and chaos. She is said to reside in the world where the souls of the dead find their rest—Valhalla.

From FF13-2 In ancient times there was a mighty spell that could summon meteorites and cast them upon the heads of foes. The meteorites had crystalline cores, grown abnormally large in another spacetime. The attributes of the meteorite would differ depending on the nature of its core crystal. Some meteorites even held within them rare, otherworldly crystals knows as 'artefacts,' which in special circumstances might be used to open portals to other places—and other times.

There is Meteorite that fallen in forest of Mamook, Living Tree, possibly had similar properties?

[Iscah]

Graha going back in time, reversed a rejoining of the a Shard, this may had major consequences splitting timelines? and now there are 2? Since this is first time ever reversal of a shard, since the splitting of them in sundering.

G'raha's time travel only needs to have created a split in a single timeline from the time he intervened onwards, not a complete separation reaching all the way back to the dawn of time.

I would say the events of Endwalker prove that the two timelines still share a past, because the whole history of the world is tangled up in the events connected to the Elpis time loop, and that may only work if our visit happens in the shared past of both timelines. Certainly it doesn't work for the timeline to be spontaneously different in its details once split off.

[Iscah]

The effects of the Eighth Calamity are basically a dice roll on anyone's survival, or from a "writers directing the narrative" standpoint could lead to any outcome you want.

If the writers want Sphene to end up with the key, it could be looted from the treasure vault in the chaos – perhaps Sareel Ja takes the opportunity to enact his schemes more directly without the fiddlings of the contest getting in the way, with or without Zoraal Ja coming along as well.

If they want it to remain unfound, have the people who know about the gate die in the calamity, and the key will remain just an oddity in the royal vault and the gate likely undiscovered. Or perhaps it again gets looted and is now at large (to turn up as a plot device sometime later in this timeline's story).

[Hesitate89]

One thing that makes me wonder more about split timeline is because of Trial 2, Zarool transforms into being with "ultimate power" a being using souls of the dead Valhalla, there is a being called Etro who has power used in FFXIII-2 to traverse Time Gates & FF Versus XIII she was that Goddess of Chaos/Death and Picture of this Goddess reminds me of Zarool Ja's Tranformation, and Etro is linked to Time Gates in the Mythology.

If Etro was to be added, could of been the direct result of the 8th Calamity as well in order to Balance the world and fates, as she witnessed the Chaos and Death in Original Timeline caused by Black Rose, she needed Zarool Ja to combine the timelines again to balance the world.

Zarool didn't need complete the Succession to open the Gate, he just needed the keys to open the Gate which was Sharalayn(also reminds me of FFXIII boss) Sareel Ja simply handed Cup over after searching vault to activate it to go through possible "Time Gate" above Everkeep, It's not a Void gate as Yhstola mentioned, to meet Sphene.

Tural may have known about Black Rose happening and took precautions to protect themselves from contact? Galool Ja Ja may have used the Gate still?

[Cleretic]

I've posted about this before, and while parts of my approach are different, the main thing is that I actually suspect that Tural was probably safe from that particular calamity, as they were probably safe from all of them. It probably wasn't good, but reasonably speaking Black Rose wouldn't have meaningfully managed to cross the salt.

Which means that the actual difference, I think, is that the Scions aren't involved; Wuk Lamat and Koana can't call on the help that leads to their eventual results. Out of the two I actually think Koana's more screwed, because he can't even call on Sharlayan anymore (if he's even survived himself) while Wuk Lamat's approach of constantly asking others for help and opinion probably does get her a bit of a distance, but I do think the competition is Zoraal Vs. Bakool. I actually do think that Bakool changes his game plan in this context--miscalculation with Zoraal Ja over the potsworn besides, he deployed his cheats pretty cleverly in response to the circumstances around him, so I think that if you change those circumstances you do change his approach.

Meanwhile, Zoraal Ja's going to have the exact same approach because he doesn't really respect outside stimuli, but I think the biggest change to him is that he knows the Three Great Continents are a goddamn mess. I'm not sure how he takes that information, though; does he think they're ripe for the taking, or does he think they're not worth bothering with? What's his plan now? And if it ends up largely resembling the plan he has in the actual game, does he still go take the chalice when he fails? (Not 'if', 'when', Zoraal Ja's incapable of succeeding at this.)

[Hesitate89]

the Gate of the Golden city, if you flip Etro's Gate design, the Blue Circles around the Rim on Golden Gate, almost match up perfectly with the Circles.