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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    I can't even process this sentence. What?

    I remember the WAR party line from Heavenward was 'WAR is just better designed than other tanks. Don't nerf WAR, buff the other jobs into equality.' Which of course was blatantly false, because every time someone advocated for equality they were then told 'Don't homogenize the tanks.' But at least that circular argument was superficially coherent to the point that it could fool some people.

    This is like trying to hide in plain sight.
    Seems pretty clear to me

    PCT is overpowered in the 2 minute meta but doesn’t change it’s a really well designed class

    Don’t get rid of what makes PCT a well designed class remove the 2 minute meta instead because you’ll nerf PCT by proxy of doing this anyway

    I don’t think this would actually work given it would 8.0 at the earliest that they would get rid of the 2 minute meta but the thought is sound
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 09-20-2024 at 09:25 AM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    PCT is overpowered in the 2 minute meta but doesn’t change it’s a really well designed class

    Don’t get rid of what makes PCT a well designed class remove the 2 minute meta instead because you’ll nerf PCT by proxy of doing this anyway
    Yeah, like this. Assuming the frankly silly 2-minute meta stays, Picto is overpowered due to the nature of that, and the medium~long-CD burst skills ought to be nerfed by medium amounts (so actually lose a whole lot of damage). OTOH, only mess with the potency, because the rest - the design - actually works much better in the context of modern combat-design in FFXIV than other jobs do, in particular other casters (so comparing Red Mage and Black Mage, Summoner is phys ranged if we're being honest).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    Yeah, like this. Assuming the frankly silly 2-minute meta stays, Picto is overpowered due to the nature of that, and the medium~long-CD burst skills ought to be nerfed by medium amounts (so actually lose a whole lot of damage). OTOH, only mess with the potency, because the rest - the design - actually works much better in the context of modern combat-design in FFXIV than other jobs do, in particular other casters (so comparing Red Mage and Black Mage, Summoner is phys ranged if we're being honest).
    Red mage is another class that doesn’t get discussed often as to how they made it worse to try to fit it into a design it doesn’t match

    Back in SB it had a very flat damage profile and it’s middling burst (which required a lot of setup since it was 80/80 and was much shorter ending at Verholy/verflare) could be put basically anywhere because it wasn’t available often and you basically gained nothing to ever hold it

    To try to shove it into the 2 minute burst they made it so you just bursted 3 times in a row and added a tonne of finishers on top which were just more powerful to shift its prior towards bring burstier

    PCT’s strengths lie in it playing to the modern encounter design better than them retroactively refitting wonky changes into the legacy jobs that dont work well in that design
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess