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[GoatOfWar]

They can't design nor balance the 4 tanks we already have.
Why would i even want a 5th tank? It would contribute nothing.

[Claire_Pendragon]

They can't design nor balance the 4 tanks we already have.
Why would i even want a 5th tank? It would contribute nothing.

They can't design nor balance the X DPS/healers we already have.
Why would i even want a Xth DPS/healer? It would contribute nothing.

rather them fix drk

I would too, but I'll never believe they will ever do it.

[CaedemSanguis]

They can't design nor balance the 4 tanks we already have.
Why would i even want a 5th tank? It would contribute nothing.

why it's not balanced ?

DRK/GNB are better at magical damage and they do higher damage than PLD/WAR which are both physical/magical damage focus

[Carighan]

DRK/GNB are better at magical damage and they do higher damage than PLD/WAR which are both physical/magical damage focus

There's a few things wrong with that. DRK/GNBs aren't "better" at magical damage, they're just worse at overall damage resistance and self-reliance. GNB is alright as they still - for some nonsensical reason - have a superior Excogitation on a shorter CD with extra benefits but that's about all that is propping them up. DRKs is just sad now that TNB is no longer special or noteworthy in the face of Heart/Blood/Sheltron.

Then there's the damage output: While it is true that Gunbreakers do marginally more damage than the rest, the number difference is extremely small. And on #2 is Paladins. Overall and for all purposes, tanks do ~same damage, which makes little sense as they're not the same on the tanking side, even if you wanted to use that as the balancing stick - which is problematic in the first place IMO. It'd be okay if one tank trades a bit of resistance for a significant amount of extra damage, as their unique identity. Say if DRKs had to live with TNB instead of a proper short CD, and in return did 15% more damage (so 5%-7% from a DPS perspective), that's okay-ish. Weird niche, but still alright. But the other tanks need some different unique identity then, one not defined by damage.

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And sure, in theory it could be done that way.

Say of the four tanks:

* One is better at self-healing
* One is better at resisting physical damage
* One is better at resisting magical damage
* One deals more damage

That's a shakey balance in the context of FFXIV's combat design, but sure, workable. But that's also absolutely not how it's done right now, except the self-healing part on Warriors.

[CaedemSanguis]

There's a few things wrong with that. DRK/GNBs aren't "better" at magical damage, they're just worse at overall damage resistance and self-reliance.

They are specialized in magical damage, either tb or raid wide (p6 top or m4s for example) when pld/war are more versatile and can mitigate either physical (m3s) or magical fights (m4s)

GNB is alright as they still - for some nonsensical reason - have a superior Excogitation on a shorter CD with extra benefits but that's about all that is propping them up. DRKs is just sad now that TNB is no longer special or noteworthy in the face of Heart/Blood/Sheltron.

While TBN is maybe not as good as HoC or Shiltron, it is enough by far to clear every savages week1 or ultimates on patch, I dont think its that much of a downside

Then there's the damage output: While it is true that Gunbreakers do marginally more damage than the rest, the number difference is extremely small. And on #2 is Paladins. Overall and for all purposes, tanks do ~same damage, which makes little sense as they're not the same on the tanking side, even if you wanted to use that as the balancing stick - which is problematic in the first place IMO. It'd be okay if one tank trades a bit of resistance for a significant amount of extra damage, as their unique identity. Say if DRKs had to live with TNB instead of a proper short CD, and in return did 15% more damage (so 5%-7% from a DPS perspective), that's okay-ish. Weird niche, but still alright. But the other tanks need some different unique identity then, one not defined by damage.

drk > gnb > pld > war

And yeah I agree that there is not much difference in dps, drk and gnb should be around 400 to 600 dps above pld/war

[GoatOfWar]

why it's not balanced ?

DRK/GNB are better at magical damage and they do higher damage than PLD/WAR which are both physical/magical damage focus

The tanks all do the same dps, and Drk/Gnb are not ''better'' at mitigating magic damage. Paladin has passage, which alone is better than DM/HoL in most of it's usecases. And Shake it off is the best party mit of all the tanks.
Dark knight taking 10% less damage from a magical tank buster (thanks to diminishing returns) is effectively meaningless when it's the only tank who can't heal itself back up.
Yet there is a massive discrepancy in their sustain and ability to mitigate. Drk is the weakest tank defensively against physical damage and has almost no sustain at all.
Dark knight still has it's job defining weaknesses after they took away all of it's job defining traits and gave it to the other tanks repeatedly.
Don't even get me started on synched content, such as ultimates. Where Dark knight is just arbitrarily the worst across the board at everything a tank does by a wide margin.

[CaedemSanguis]

The tanks all do the same dps, and Drk/Gnb are not ''better'' at mitigating magic damage.

I wont read the rest

[GoatOfWar]

I wont read the rest

Why? You think having room to do 200 more dps in an optimised setting assuming perfect play and good RNG matters when the group dps is 160k?
You're splitting hairs mate. The only instance where DM and HoL are ''better'' against magic is if it's a repeated heavy hitter (Styx) or if it leaves a nasty DoT and PLD can't flash it. Also let's not forget about the Regen buff to shake it off specifically to tackle that discrepancy. But that still leaves them worse against single hit raidwides which are the majority of raidwides anyways, and potentially worthless in the case of physical raidwides. Which we've seen a lot of in this tier.