Thread: PvP 7.1

I wouldn't really say it takes pinpoint skill... whichever people you want to lock down you mark, then have a macro to instantly target then with abilites. Moment they're in range you press the button and instant success.

Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

I wouldn't really say it takes pinpoint skill... whichever people you want to lock down you mark, then have a macro to instantly target then with abilites. Moment they're in range you press the button and instant success.

Not really, you disable them for 5s, then they're good to go again. Better to just counter with a dark premade as you said.

Originally Posted by Valence

Why would you waste precious slots in your 4 man party with anti DRK roles? As said above, making your own DRK premade is way more efficient and safe and I don't know why would someone waste their time trying to counter premades, especially when there is multiple running at once, you're not gonna counter them all.

I never said anything about anti DK premade and I strongly disagree with your mindset
I am not sure why you makes it sound like it requires a lot effort
It only requires simple coordination between a macro, a job "know" how to use silence, and any job with finisher

I hope they remove chain pull ability, hate hate hate it

I don't think they should ever balance the game around FL, but they still need to consider what is fun in those environments based on the limitations. For instance, it's worth considering having fall-off on things that hit more than five targets. They went and added huge damage and LB charge penalties to a lot of the jobs that had disproportionate performance in FL. This whole-cloth approach of just flat damage modifiers is the fastest way of balancing jobs, but not necessarily the best. If you look at SMN for example, the -15% damage penalty is definitely there because of the limit break's potential damage. Their kit is great and all but it definitely doesn't need to have a penalty outside of that one attack. It makes the jobs way less fun and satisfying to play in those situations, and I much rather have tailored the offending actions with either specific penalties in FL (and RW?) listed in the tooltip or give it some kind of falloff.

I'd also look at fixed damage attacks, namely instant kills. For both CC and FL, I want them to play by the same rules as anything else: be affected by both buffs and debuffs. For example, rather than just have the ninja LB just instantly kill the target, I'd give it a 3 or 4x damage modifier at <50% and have it pierce guard, so things like mitigation or healing at the same update could affect the outcome, but damage buffs on the ninja would also increase the threshold. Same idea with SAM. Aside from just tying it to the rules of the game, IMO they don't feel great in FL.

And lastly, hope some of the LBs just get changed. As a monk main myself, there is really nothing fun about our LB in any environment. I don't feel anything when I get a kill with it. It's one of the most scripted LBs in the game. Much rather have something that breaks guard, is back to a 1m CD, and still does good damage, but the 3 sec point-and-click stun on target and on the monk just isn't doing anything. Rather have more interaction happening between the monk and target during that time.

That aside, every expansion's PvP update brings in actions introduced to the PvE spec, and we know pictomancer and viper are going to look radically different, so looking forward to that shakeup. Don't want to feel like I am playing the same game as I did 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I can also see them gutting most/all heals from WHM/SCH/AST/SGE to give them other tools to use because I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen people healing others in PVP (Frontlines or Crystaline Conflict), and I certainly know that I've rarely bothered to do it.

Too many people still want healing nerfs. They don't want Recuperate to be spammed despite it being easier to pressure one to death. They don't want to deal with one team having a healer while the rest are dps despite certain dps classes being made more supportive. They want things simple, and despite things being reduced to a 6 button joystick the healing portion is turning a lot off. If all classes were made mainly dps only I can see a group of people quitting for the simple fact that they cannot heal others.

just because you don't bother doesn't mean the rest of us don't. even if you don't care about healing others, it's still suboptimal play if you don't heal them because it builds your lb