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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Very cool, however the point isn't the DRK but the DPS sustaining themselves.
    I took DRK as it has the least healing capabilities on the teammates and this one in particular tried to avoid pressing their party wide mitigation.
    I meant the DPS sustaining themselves if they are the target of the bosses agro (ie there is no tank). That’s why i also said the healers have to tank their damage to stay alive. Healers don’t need to lose damage to keep themselves alive during the 1 raidwide per 30 minutes the bosses put out

    My point was in a situation where tanks shine in self sustain there can be no check on their power in content that doesn’t have an enrage because if the tank can outheal the damage they take the healers role becomes babying the DPS who also aren’t needed if there is no DPS check
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I meant the DPS sustaining themselves if they are the target of the bosses agro (ie there is no tank). That’s why i also said the healers have to tank their damage to stay alive. Healers don’t need to lose damage to keep themselves alive during the 1 raidwide per 30 minutes the bosses put out

    My point was in a situation where tanks shine in self sustain there can be no check on their power in content that doesn’t have an enrage because if the tank can outheal the damage they take the healers role becomes babying the DPS who also aren’t needed if there is no DPS check
    Fair.
    Yes, they should take much more damage on tank buster and tank buster should happen during trash pack. Since Shadowbringer we don't have to think about how we mitigate,
    The fact that DRK can do this 1 tank 3 DPS run when keeping mitigation should be telling enough. DRK's kit shouldn't be able to allow it to last it a whole dungeon by itself, wether they finish at 50, 20, 1%.

    If you look at the run, the group took 5 to 7 vulnerability up per dungeon yet they never got KO'd.
    I believe they were trying to find the limit of their survivability while using the least defensives.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    I believe they were trying to find the limit of their survivability while using the least defensives.
    There's a Samurai.

    They took vuln stacks to pop Tengetsu when aoe raid wides weren't coming out because it gave them 10 Kenki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    There's a Samurai.

    They took vuln stacks to pop Tengetsu when aoe raid wides weren't coming out because it gave them 10 Kenki.
    While it's true, they only took the majority of vulnerability up in Tender valley. In Alexandria, 2/5, Straighbourg Deadwalk 1/5.
    On other content they've cleared I've seen the mitigation being used, so I just assume they went in those dungeons with shit&giggles in mind.

    In any cases, Samurai survives 5 vulnerability stacks with 3 from the last boss alone without the need for a Warrior, Paladin or any healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    While it's true, they only took the majority of vulnerability up in Tender valley. In Alexandria, 2/5, Straighbourg Deadwalk 1/5.
    On other content they've cleared I've seen the mitigation being used, so I just assume they went in those dungeons with shit&giggles in mind.

    In any cases, Samurai survives 5 vulnerability stacks with 3 from the last boss alone without the need for a Warrior, Paladin or any healer.
    Sure, take it away from DPS too.

    Won't see me complain about it.
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