Fine, Bloodwhetting is too OP

[Supersnow845]

It's to contradict that misinformation you tried to spread.
People here try to use the WoW tank sustain nerf as if it used to be on the same level to XIV while avoiding how broken it truly was.

Those two claims don’t contradict, WOW hits for more which justifies a higher sustain level. Is WOW’s sustain still too high……arguable. Is WOW’s sustain better balanced because the tanks take more damage……yes

And the only reason the sustain nerf was bought up was because Anjou doomed about a sustain nerf leading the population of 14 to collapse. Which WOW’s sustain nerf directly refutes

[CKNovel]

Those two claims don’t contradict, WOW hits for more which justifies a higher sustain level. Is WOW’s sustain still too high……arguable. Is WOW’s sustain better balanced because the tanks take more damage……yes.

That's an insane level of denial and double standard.
One moment you scream that Healers are being replaced and your role is being filled by the tanks because of gimmick clears and casual content.
But WoW is fine when I show you a tank solo tanking a whole high-endgame content with no healers on a specs like Guardian Druid can also ressurect and cleanse poisons.

Yes, wow tanks takes more damage, but they can also sustain more than the damage their receive.
Unlike XIV, it isn't rare to see WoW tanks healing and mitigating more than their healers.

[Supersnow845]

That's an insane level of denial and double standard.
One moment you scream that Healers are being replaced and your role is being filled by the tanks because of gimmick clears and casual content.
But WoW is fine when I show you a tank solo tanking a whole high-endgame content with no healers on a specs like Guardian Druid can also ressurect and cleanse poisons.

Yes, wow tanks takes more damage, but they can also sustain more than the damage their receive.
Unlike XIV, it isn't rare to see WoW tanks healing and mitigating more than their healers.

It’s not because I specifically said is tank sustain in WOW still too strong……debatable. I don’t want to argue too strongly about WOW because I don’t play it directly. I just know if I said directly “I want sustain nerfed again in WOW” you’d just retaliate with “you just hate tanks in all games and obviously want to ruin everyone’s fun” (don’t deny it)

I’m not qualified enough to speak on WOW’s sustain. I know as far as they get hit far more than 14’s tanks and as such they have stronger sustain on average. If that clear is any indication of the balance of high end tanks yeah I’d probably advocate nerfing them further if I had any leg in the race but i also know blizzard has been willing to do that and healers in WOW aren’t treated like 2 year olds.

This still doesn’t in any way affect the fact that the WOW tank nerf hasn’t caused their population to completely collapse like has been stated in this thread. Based on my rudimentary understanding of how WOW’s tanks work that clear looked like a ShB WAR or a SB DRK situation, possible but requires coordination and skill, you don’t just press the win button every 30 seconds, but like I said I’m just guessing at skill effects here so this part could be wrong

But yes my position is not inconsistent because if that’s a common phenomenon in WOW I would 100% also advocate to nerf their tanks, I just don’t have a leg in the race

My position has always been and will always be “in a trinity game all roles should rely on all other roles in all content” and this includes the tank directly relying on the healer, not relying on the healer by proxy of keeping the DPS alive

[AnjouMaaka]

Those two claims don’t contradict, WOW hits for more which justifies a higher sustain level. Is WOW’s sustain still too high……arguable. Is WOW’s sustain better balanced because the tanks take more damage……yes

And the only reason the sustain nerf was bought up was because Anjou doomed about a sustain nerf leading the population of 14 to collapse. Which WOW’s sustain nerf directly refutes

That's a radically extreme take that shows you know nothing. The two games have very different communities. Most players in FFXIV are too easily butt hurt by the smallest things. We already lost 5%-10% of NA over the "Woke Lamat" drama. As if the game isn't already "woke" thanks to the community. You think the same, or worse, wouldn't happen over a Bloodwhetting nerf? You are fooling yourself.

[Supersnow845]

That's a radically extreme take that shows you know nothing. The two games have very different communities. Most players in FFXIV are too easily butt hurt by the smallest things. We already lost 5%-10% of NA over the "Woke Lamat" drama. As if the game isn't already "woke" thanks to the community. You think the same, or worse, wouldn't happen over a Bloodwhetting nerf? You are fooling yourself.

Oh so now we can’t nerf BW because wuk lamat’s voice actor is trans

This is it folks. This is officially the worst argument I’ve ever heard in regards to 14

[AnjouMaaka]

Oh so now we can’t nerf BW because wuk lamat’s voice actor is trans

This is it folks. This is officially the worst argument I’ve ever heard in regards to 14

You twisting my comment to justify yourself is the bad argument. Reread the comment you're quoting until you understand what I said.