Fine, Bloodwhetting is too OP

[Connor]

Food for thought:

That’s fair; I mean, I’m not even suggesting like a 1:1 proportion since as you say it varies by healer/tank/gear/too much to balance properly without accidentally locking out certain jobs for one reason or another.

Still though, I feel like at the very least they could try and have it be at least somewhat reflective of the toolkits if not fully proportionate. Like, you’d expect damage output to be extremely high and fast given the amount of oGCDs there are, or for tanks to be taking huge chunks of damage at any given time considering how strong the 40% defensive buffs are on top of everything else they have (Bloodwhetting/Clemency/Veil etc). Likewise you spend like 80% (idk what the actual value is but that feels right lol) of your time in combat dealing damage, but only have 2 non-healing gcds to actually use. So while the tank is sucking up HP from enemies like it’s oxygen the healer is sat there with like 90% of their toolkit they’ll never actually need to use lol.

Anyway I’m veering off-topic but basically I think the issues around Bloodwhetting etc is more a symptom of the issues with the job/battle design and how they’re interacting than the ability itself. And I mean, I won’t claim I know ‘what they should do’. I’m not a game developer or anything like that, so the best I can do is ‘vague ideas’. But then, with how little they’ve communicated with us about these problems, vague ideas are kinda all we have lol.

[Shurrikhan]

Like, you’d expect damage output to be extremely high and fast given the amount of oGCDs there are, or for tanks to be taking huge chunks of damage at any given time considering how strong the 40% defensive buffs are on top of everything else they have (Bloodwhetting/Clemency/Veil etc).

Aye. 40% is going to be noticeable, of course, but outside of very precise tankbusters paced specifically to accommodate it, it rarely feels anywhere near necessary. A bit more going into the grinder could make tank actions feel far more potent.

Final funny tidbit:

Even when popping a 40%, the majority of a tank's mitigation is passive. At i730, a tank has 48% passive mitigation (20% from Tank Mastery, 35% from Defense).

[Alice_Rivers]

Final funny tidbit:

Even when popping a 40%, the majority of a tank's mitigation is passive. At i730, a tank has 48% passive mitigation (20% from Tank Mastery, 35% from Defense).

This whole concept is insane to me, worse is the fact that I can still watch tanks melt in dungeons if they don't bother to use their kits.

[Shurrikhan]

Someone gets it.

And it is dspguy, not dpsguy. I'm not that arrogant to claim a handle like that

I don't think most would guess you to be a direct support professional or assume you're going for descessit sine prole either, tbf. A frat (ΔΣΠ) alum, maybe. And most other common expansions of the acronym refer to things, not people, as far as I recall. /shrug

This whole concept is insane to me, worse is the fact that I can still watch tanks melt in dungeons if they don't bother to use their kits.

Well, the damage is tuned --to the extent any hypercasual content is "tuned" at all-- around that passive tank mitigation. Which ultimately means that it's just a composition check by which to nerf to all non-tanks or tank-less parties to make it even less possible to skimp on a tank.

If you could always rotate defensives and/or stack external mit to just barely survive a tank buster as a non-tank and be healed instantly before an auto could finish you, that'd be game-breaking, after all. Tanks aren't *guffaw* healers -- mein gott.