Fine, Bloodwhetting is too OP

[Lyth]

With all due respect, I've cleared raid content on WAR and DRK for much longer than either of you. I don't need to submit my curriculum vitae to post in here. We're also talking about role design rather than job design. Feel free to point out what competitive edge you think I would gain out of seeing these changes. If anything, I'm telling you outright that DPS offers significantly more raid value, and that I want this to change so that tanks can offer more impact.

If you still have something of substance to offer on the discussion points at hand, by all means. The current design of tanking is poor and offers little in the way of skill expression. Progressive inflation of mitigation and sustain toolkits is trivialising encounters. The focus should be on making button presses more meaningful and more nuanced. If anyone can do it, it's not worth doing. The status quo needs to change.

[CaedemSanguis]

With all due respect, I've cleared raid content on WAR and DRK for much longer than either of you. I don't need to submit my curriculum vitae to post in here. We're also talking about role design rather than job design. Feel free to point out what competitive edge you think I would gain out of seeing these changes. If anything, I'm telling you outright that DPS offers significantly more raid value, and that I want this to change so that tanks can offer more impact.

If you still have something of substance to offer on the discussion points at hand, by all means. The current design of tanking is poor and offers little in the way of skill expression. Progressive inflation of mitigation and sustain toolkits is trivialising encounters. The focus should be on making button presses more meaningful and more nuanced. If anyone can do it, it's not worth doing. The status quo needs to change.

well you clearly never did HC/WP

if you did, then you're have very very weird take, but why not idc

"The current design of tanking is poor and offers little in the way of skill expression" I agree, but for both tanks/dps and healers

"Progressive inflation of mitigation and sustain toolkits is trivialising encounters" -> you clearly never did any criterion savage or ultimates in tanks to say this, it's a fact

"The focus should be on making button presses more meaningful and more nuanced" I agree, but it's the same for either tank-dps-healers, FF14 gameplay is "stand and let things resolve" not "adjust to what happens with your classes tools" like in wow, hopefully this will change with the 7.2+ encounters and 8.0 gameplay rework, but it will NEVER be on the same level as wow because of the shitty ff14 netcode

Even during HW, tanks/dps/healers were far from having "skill expression", hell even in WoW there is hardly a "skill expression" cause it's not a pvp game like LoL/Tekken or Counter Strike