Frontlines over coordination Issues

[Bobby66]

Hmmm. I was edging towards a reductio ad absurdum, but it's often hard to tell on these boards.

I mean dont people who normally bring up absurd points or topics do so as a means of trolling? Why else would they do it?

[Mawlzy]

I mean dont people who normally bring up absurd points or topics do so as a means of trolling? Why else would they do it?

By taking a position/hypothesis and extending it to an allegedly logical conclusion, they attempt to generate an internal inconsistency thereby invalidating the original hypothesis. What we're dealing with here is better described as a false syllogism, since there's no reason the FL rule set should be either 8-man premades and GC stacking or feature a complete ban on all methods of communication.

Only the OP can clarify. I don't like pretending I know the thoughts and motivations of others, unlike the psychic members on these boards.

[Bobby66]

By taking a position/hypothesis and extending it to an allegedly logical conclusion, they attempt to generate an internal inconsistency thereby invalidating the original hypothesis. What we're dealing with here is better described as a false syllogism, since there's no reason the FL rule set should be either 8-man premades and GC stacking or feature a complete ban on all methods of communication.

Only the OP can clarify. I don't like pretending I know the thoughts and motivations of others, unlike the psychic members on these boards.

I mean arguing based on a false presumption is honestly a form of trolling. At that point they are arguing in bad faith which is also not only trolling but BM.

[Mawlzy]

I mean arguing based on a false presumption is honestly a form of trolling. At that point they are arguing in bad faith which is also not only trolling but BM.

As I said, I'm not going to presume to know the mind of the OP.

If I was going to expand their argument, however, I'd note that voice chat is a massive aid to coordination. Thus in a coordinated FL, SQEX should introduce a bespoke VC option (since a third-party tool like Discord chat currently lives in a ToS grey zone), and players would be compelled to use it or be barred from playing FL.

Obviously I don't believe that. There must be a middle path.

[Menriq]

As I said, I'm not going to presume to know the mind of the OP.

If I was going to expand their argument, however, I'd note that voice chat is a massive aid to coordination. Thus in a coordinated FL, SQEX should introduce a bespoke VC option (since a third-party tool like Discord chat currently lives in a ToS grey zone), and players would be compelled to use it or be barred from playing FL.

Obviously I don't believe that. There must be a middle path.

Just going to chime in that Discord is absolutely not a ToS gray zone. It does not interact with the game in any manner.

[Bobby66]

As I said, I'm not going to presume to know the mind of the OP.

If I was going to expand their argument, however, I'd note that voice chat is a massive aid to coordination. Thus in a coordinated FL, SQEX should introduce a bespoke VC option (since a third-party tool like Discord chat currently lives in a ToS grey zone), and players would be compelled to use it or be barred from playing FL.

Obviously I don't believe that. There must be a middle path.

Players probably would not use it at all. WoW has a in game voice feature people really don't mic up using it. Even if they did use it would be a moderation nightmare in a game where they have removed chat from feast and cc I don't see SE ever doing this. I am shocked we still have chat options in FL.

As others have stated discord is not a third party greyzone. Also not presuming much when someone is arguing in bath faith, at that point the intent matters little.

[Mawlzy]

Just going to chime in that Discord is absolutely not a ToS gray zone. It does not interact with the game in any manner.

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the correction.

Interestingly, there's one extremely successful static premade on Aether, yet none of the members use Alliance chat much. No Salted Earth alerts from the DRK. Basically no directions nor warnings. Yet they have beautifully-coordinated bursts. It really shows just how powerful 4-person coordination is in winning FL matches, and also illustrates how irrelevant their 20 "teammates" can be.