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    "If over coordination is NOT acceptable in Frontlines, I would recommend the removal of placing waymarkers, target markers, and the use of the chat in any capacity while participating in Frontlines, to prevent up to 24 players being directed for the over coordination efforts."

    I'll go with "this is bait" for 50 please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    "If over coordination is NOT acceptable in Frontlines, I would recommend the removal of placing waymarkers, target markers, and the use of the chat in any capacity while participating in Frontlines, to prevent up to 24 players being directed for the over coordination efforts."

    I'll go with "this is bait" for 50 please.
    Hmmm. I was edging towards a reductio ad absurdum, but it's often hard to tell on these boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    Hmmm. I was edging towards a reductio ad absurdum, but it's often hard to tell on these boards.
    I mean dont people who normally bring up absurd points or topics do so as a means of trolling? Why else would they do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    I mean dont people who normally bring up absurd points or topics do so as a means of trolling? Why else would they do it?
    By taking a position/hypothesis and extending it to an allegedly logical conclusion, they attempt to generate an internal inconsistency thereby invalidating the original hypothesis. What we're dealing with here is better described as a false syllogism, since there's no reason the FL rule set should be either 8-man premades and GC stacking or feature a complete ban on all methods of communication.

    Only the OP can clarify. I don't like pretending I know the thoughts and motivations of others, unlike the psychic members on these boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    By taking a position/hypothesis and extending it to an allegedly logical conclusion, they attempt to generate an internal inconsistency thereby invalidating the original hypothesis. What we're dealing with here is better described as a false syllogism, since there's no reason the FL rule set should be either 8-man premades and GC stacking or feature a complete ban on all methods of communication.

    Only the OP can clarify. I don't like pretending I know the thoughts and motivations of others, unlike the psychic members on these boards.
    I mean arguing based on a false presumption is honestly a form of trolling. At that point they are arguing in bad faith which is also not only trolling but BM.
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    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    I mean arguing based on a false presumption is honestly a form of trolling. At that point they are arguing in bad faith which is also not only trolling but BM.
    As I said, I'm not going to presume to know the mind of the OP.

    If I was going to expand their argument, however, I'd note that voice chat is a massive aid to coordination. Thus in a coordinated FL, SQEX should introduce a bespoke VC option (since a third-party tool like Discord chat currently lives in a ToS grey zone), and players would be compelled to use it or be barred from playing FL.

    Obviously I don't believe that. There must be a middle path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    As I said, I'm not going to presume to know the mind of the OP.

    If I was going to expand their argument, however, I'd note that voice chat is a massive aid to coordination. Thus in a coordinated FL, SQEX should introduce a bespoke VC option (since a third-party tool like Discord chat currently lives in a ToS grey zone), and players would be compelled to use it or be barred from playing FL.

    Obviously I don't believe that. There must be a middle path.
    Just going to chime in that Discord is absolutely not a ToS gray zone. It does not interact with the game in any manner.
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