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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephrick View Post
    Based on what?

    I'm as big an SE fanboy as the next person on here, but basing financial decisions on hunches and presumptions is bad business.
    Actually if you follow stocks you will know that there is a good amount of resistance for SE's stock at around 1150 JPY. Hes right in his assumption that this is the low point (for wrong reasons though). Only way I see it dipping below that point is if they actually admit that Versus was cancelled... and thats when I'll pull my investment.

    Right now this is a total gamble... but one I have a stake in.

    If you want a safe Japanese stock to play... You play Nintendo when it bounces from 8000 JPY and exit around 8900-9000 JPY.
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    Last edited by TimonLoon; 08-03-2012 at 06:13 AM.
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    Lol omg. I wish all the whiteknights would pump their money into SE stocks. Take out loans and second mortgages to do it too.

    That would make me very happy.
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    Considering in 2010 after the release of FFXIV Square Enix drastically reduced its earnings forecasts for the remainder of the fiscal year from 12 billion yen (approx. $142.4 million USD) to just 1 billion yen ($11.9 million) - a decrease of 91.7% I think most investors would advice against it.

    It's also important to consider 2.0 isn't guaranteed to truly redeem the game. While some people(mainly FFXIV players themselves) have high expectations for 2.0, the outside community is generally skeptical. I myself personally think 2.0 only has like a 50% chance of succeeding based on what I know of 2.0 and the steady release of poor content being put out by SE for it's other games in the FF franchise. However, that's just my opinion not like I'm an expert or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomarl View Post
    Why would you invest in a dying company?
    Because a healthy company has less room to grow.
    A dying company has the full growth curve available to it... provided it doesn't die.
    Although i wouldn't see SE as a 'nest egg' type company anyway. it's not that kind of product.
    But i don't do nest eggs. ... I look for companies that will survive, but are at the low point.
    For example. General motors after the stock market crash.
    Or .. in slight variation, Nortel when it hit 69Cents per share.
    in that case, the company eventually folded, but big brother didn't want to go through the embarrassment of it folding right away, so the shares peaked at $14.
    Buy low, sell high.
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    Last edited by NefarioCall; 08-03-2012 at 07:50 AM.
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    It's kind of like betting on that horse at the races with 1:650 payout. You know it's a long shot but it could all work out in the end.

    *edit*

    I'm not saying SE is in a bad way, but as far as stocks and game companies go they shift very violently.
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    You people are being foolish. 2.0 does not have to Redeem SE it only has to become profitable.

    Stock prices do not move on what gamers think of a company.

    SE stock has most likely hit it's low point.

    There is literally 0 chance of the company going under.

    They are not losing money, they are simply not earning as much as they normally do.

    Anyone who has the money to let sit in a stock for 5 years would be a fool not to buy in to SE right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomarl View Post
    It's fun to be in denial land, isn't it?
    SE killed FFversus.
    They keep milking the FFXIII series instead of making a new one.
    SE canceled FFXIII-3.
    FFXIV got 4.0 out of 10.
    1: SE did NOT cancel FF13 Vs. that was a rumor that Wada said was false.
    2: I doubt they did, wheres your proof?
    3: Thats why the hell we're getting a FF14 2.0, if your so negative and think the company is failing why the hell are you playing one of their games?
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    I would consider it, but it is a gamble. I wouldn't buy for the long term, but if the versus rumor depreciated the stock than it may be worth it. Wait for the rumor to clear up and if it turns out they are releasing it you may see a modest increase in value. If 2.0 turns out to be a success (and that is a long shot) you may see some more modest gains and walk away with a profit. If things go the other way on either of those than the stock may again slip.

    It's always a gamble! When Ford stock dropped to almost nothing I pulled all the money from my 401k and invested it all, and walked away with huge gains, but I do not see that situation here. You are more likely to lose and if you come out ahead it will be modest. I like what I am seeing about 2.0, but I just don't know if I am willing to wager on it's success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    You people are being foolish. 2.0 does not have to Redeem SE it only has to become profitable.

    Stock prices do not move on what gamers think of a company.

    SE stock has most likely hit it's low point.

    There is literally 0 chance of the company going under.

    They are not losing money, they are simply not earning as much as they normally do.

    Anyone who has the money to let sit in a stock for 5 years would be a fool not to buy in to SE right now.
    That's not true, if 2.0 fails you will see another huge loss in the companies earning forecasts(just like in 2010) which effects stock value. That was the point I was trying to make.

    It's worth pointing out that contrary to your opinion, the company is loosing money, you can read about it here: http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...ions-imminent/

    Also, don't go around calling people foolish. It's rude, unnecessary, and even more frustrating when you're dead wrong about the point you were trying to sound so cool making. Also personally attacking people is against the ToS, and most importantly if I'm not allowed to do it I most definitely don't want someone like you to get away with it.
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    Last edited by Mijin; 08-03-2012 at 08:25 AM.

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    possible to make very little money when they get a hit at theses prices, usually you would buy low not when its leveled out.
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