Samurai LB and frontlines

[Chasingstars]

In frontlines, the LB for Samurai is meant to just a troll tool. As there isn't anything deeper than being a samurai who intentionally goes where they shouldn't be to just try and get one or more cheeky kills. And I say this as someone playing the job.

Its actual kit outside of that is just: Soten + Hyotsetsu, or Soten + Mineuchi. Maybe Meikyo Shishui as a discount purify as some roots/heavys you and runs away, and if they don't stop running, its more likely Midare gets interrupted anyway unless you use the root or bind.

Oh sure it has Ogi Namikiri or Oka, but it feels really limp to actually do meaningfull things to them other than to be annoyance and loops back into Chiten gameplay. I gotten more kills with Zantetsuken (LB) by appearing to be afk in some place I shouldn't be than what the devs intended.

[Lydia77]

casualy playing astro to heal your BF and team, using macrocosmos, geting 1 shot from 100000 meters away with no way to defend yourself. At least you can screw up ninja fishing for LB by cheeky hea above 50%.
But seriously. All off frontline skills need a change. Some jobs are dead and unplayable (sage, red mage, bard....) some are broken and need a whole world to be rebuild to make them ballanced (we know their names)
P.S. its not an issue because why play samurai for a silly cheeky 1 shot across the map when you can play THE TEAM and get 100 kills combined?

[Sunhwapark]

Some jobs are dead and unplayable (sage, red mage, bard....) some are broken and need a whole world to be rebuild to make them ballanced (we know their names)
P.S. its not an issue because why play samurai for a silly cheeky 1 shot across the map when you can play THE TEAM and get 100 kills combined?

Red mage is pretty good, you can engage and disengage fights independently.
The White Magic Melee combo comes with a baked in shield that gets even more potent if you use Engagement/Magicked Barrier, this is ontop if its superior % damage reduction making it tankier than other ranged classes.
It has a dual function heal + DMG LB, Ranged AoE CC (bind/silence) that can prevent engagements.

Samurai is a minor threat to anything that can create a self shield near instantly, being max health and having any substance of barrier will prevent you from dying from their LB so some classes like WAR,RDM,NIN,MNK don't have to respect a SAM's Chiten, since it's just a knowledge check.

OP is not wrong though, Samurai's playstyle in FL is like an irritating fly buzzing around the enemy hoping that they fall for the trap and retaliate against them.

[EmilySummerstar]

Getting killed by SAM always feels cheap, especially when you unknowingly clip them with AoE. Their gameplay makes them seem like divas who try to make everyone touch them so that they can throw a fit when someone accidently brushes up against them.

[Mawlzy]

Getting killed by SAM always feels cheap, especially when you unknowingly clip them with AoE. Their gameplay makes them seem like divas who try to make everyone touch them so that they can throw a fit when someone accidently brushes up against them.

Nice analogy

Yeah I just think SAM is dumb in FL, particularly in choke points. I've got zapped by them without ever realizing a SAM was buried somewhere beneath a Bahamut or Picto cupcakes or all the other mess that even low graphics produces.

[Lydia77]

Red mage is pretty good, you can engage and disengage fights independently.
The White Magic Melee combo comes with a baked in shield that gets even more potent if you use Engagement/Magicked Barrier, this is ontop if its superior % damage reduction making it tankier than other ranged classes.
It has a dual function heal + DMG LB, Ranged AoE CC (bind/silence) that can prevent engagements.

Samurai is a minor threat to anything that can create a self shield near instantly, being max health and having any substance of barrier will prevent you from dying from their LB so some classes like WAR,RDM,NIN,MNK don't have to respect a SAM's Chiten, since it's just a knowledge check.

OP is not wrong though, Samurai's playstyle in FL is like an irritating fly buzzing around the enemy hoping that they fall for the trap and retaliate against them.

If RDM is so good why noone plays it in FL? Maybe because the moment you rush into an enemy with caster defence you will be a red GOO on the grass / snow?
What about bard? Sage?
Some jobs are dead in that mode and the fact thet they CAN preform good in the right hands and even top score when pigs fly it doesnt mean we should consider this ballanced
Why bother with red mage dancing around, planing 5 steps ahead, risking being literally 1 shot when you can play black mage who is squishy too but can do so much more damage. Heal? Even pure healers cant do such a diffirence.
Why play warrior to pull away 1 player when you can play DRK and pull 1-500000 of them and be literally unkillable. Even ignoring LB DRK got shields toping them on heal charts and dmage reductions.
And yes. both SAM and ninja LB are a joke making cheap kills when conditions are met. But when i can trick ninja into using LB while using recuperate to deny them, i get 1 shot by sam no matter what, even if i didnt know they were in that pile of 20 enemies and billion of reduced SFXs. Machinist snipe command is designed to pick up low HP enemy from a great distance and its job fantasy. All samurais do are fishing for a debuff applied by a stray AOE to take a chep unfair and nigh-denyable kill. My astro has no shields. Expecting machinist to have one to prevent it.... Well its the same story that you can deny DRK premade of 4 by punhichng one back with monk skill.
PVP needs a full rework. And we all know those discord mafia will alwys find some cheap tactic to stack up on, but the system we have now is broken and unplayable as soon as semi-decent premade shows up.

[Cidel]

You can't convince me that the person responsible for designing SAM's LB didn't main Hakumen or at least played Blazblue...











...That is all. Everything else pertaining to SAM's LB has been discussed into the ground.

[Miki_L]

I think there is some value in a job that has the capability to wipe out a max BH player instantly, as they can feel invincible at times with the bonus healing they get. Of course, someone who can get max BH on a non-ninja job is probably decent enough to not get baited by a SAM player but the mere presence of one nearby can act as a deterrent.

[Spiffer]

just wanted to put this out there but it does not 1 shot a person with bh5 unless they have taken like 20% hp. iv lived many times with the debuff applied. I still don't like it tho and understand completely the hate it gets haha