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  1. #1
    Player
    Sililos's Avatar
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    Sililos Sanura
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    Sophia
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    Dancer Lv 100

    New Dancer feels TERRIBLE and weak

    Dead in a single stun even with Esuna, barely scratches enemy HP and its damaging move is locked behind a highly limited resource with a long recharge time.

    Our Limit break does NOTHING, 2 seconds of charm, the enemy laughs it off or pops their own Esuna.

    At this point i feel like a free kill too the enemy team and its NOT FUN SE!

    And lets not forget how easy it is to ALWAYS be put on the team of players who stand back and do nothing while the crystals being pushed, or simply get steamrolled by a single player with good stuns and high damage.
    If you guys are gonna try more PvP content, at least make the classes balanced and set the que so that a player on a losing streak gets teamed up with players who always win, or yaknow, let us que with a team instead of solo.
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    Top Macho
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    I can agree with this but disagree at the same time. I agree because in the first 30-60 seconds, the Dancer doesn't have Limit Break, therefore, I can't be Charmed AND being a ranged DPS, they are not near the crystal. I can disagree because after 30-60 seconds, I can safely assume that Dancer Has their Charm Limit Break, and must be CC'ed and killed immediately. Charm is such a devastating CC when your opponent is getting focused. In an organized group (using voice comms.) this would be lethal to your opponents. But of course, it's solo queue only.

    Oh, you do have the option to notify your team that you have Limit Break ready. But it'll be up to them to take advantage of the situation and knowing that the player that used that key bind was a Dancer to begin with.
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    Last edited by Kiao-Ken; 04-13-2022 at 09:37 AM.

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    Player
    Sililos's Avatar
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    Sililos Sanura
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    Sophia
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Yeah all good points, it all comes down too organization. Also, as a dancer I find more often than not im the only one pushing the crystal in groups who dont know what their doing, but when things fall into place with my team, then things work.
    1v1 however, Dancer is not going to win, against anything.

    As far as Charm goes, the cast time is bad. one stun and you lose you LB, one good team and you are dead before it goes off.
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    Nola Ustrina
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    Cactuar
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    Yeah all good points, it all comes down too organization. Also, as a dancer I find more often than not im the only one pushing the crystal in groups who dont know what their doing, but when things fall into place with my team, then things work.
    1v1 however, Dancer is not going to win, against anything.

    As far as Charm goes, the cast time is bad. one stun and you lose you LB, one good team and you are dead before it goes off.
    DNC is a support job. Half of it is boosting their Dance partner, so it shouldn't be strong by itself. As for the LB, just like I do with GNB who also has a channel-like LB, just wait till you get hit by a single CC, Purify it, get the anti-CC buff, dive in, dance the night away(and pray an enemy WHM doesn't turn you into a minion lol).
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    Player
    Sililos's Avatar
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    Sililos Sanura
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    Sophia
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixon View Post
    DNC is a support job. Half of it is boosting their Dance partner, so it shouldn't be strong by itself. As for the LB, just like I do with GNB who also has a channel-like LB, just wait till you get hit by a single CC, Purify it, get the anti-CC buff, dive in, dance the night away(and pray an enemy WHM doesn't turn you into a minion lol).
    In PvP under the new system, we dont boost our partner.
    We do have one short DPS boost for them based on an AOE ability with a long cooldown and of course we keep our ineffective heal share with partner. Both require said person to be alive instead of constantly waiting to respawn, and also require them to be near you... instead of afking half way over the map.

    In PvP we are support DPS, without the DPS and support that does next to nothing, especially since nobody seems to know how to pair with a Dancer or more likely, just doesn't care about our none existence PvP buffs, or to focus targets down in the 2 seconds their charm hits... if it hits.

    Unlike GNB we also dont have the defense to survive the cast time when being attacked. We can be taken out by a single person in around 3 hits when using our LB or the new Improv style move that does near zero DPS and doesn't provide any form of buff despite its tooltip saying it should.

    Support like DNC only works if it has effective skills to use and a partner who cares they are partnered up.
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    Last edited by Sililos; 04-14-2022 at 05:24 PM.

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    RydiaFey's Avatar
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    Warren Warlock
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Dancer seems like it needs some love. I don't play it myself, but my friend who plays dancer in pvp said they reduced the range on their attacks, and made the dash sort of clunky. You now need to attack something first. Limit break is underwhelming. I know it can be super effective, but it just doesn't have enough oomph to be exciting to use. I do love the charm animation. It would be neat if it confused the enemy instead, maybe having a list of effects after the charm wears off based on something else in the kit.
    I get they are supposed to be somewhere in between the front and the back of the group, but if that is the devs intention for dancer they should give them defensive abilities like a counter attack or meaningful buffs that affect everyone around them.
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    Narangerel's Avatar
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    Naraan Tsahar
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    DNC Charm cannot be removed by purify. Same with Reaper's hysteria. you need to reevaluate how you play the job in PvP, same as the healers.
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    Ocelittelot's Avatar
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    Istrault Sirois
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    Sargatanas
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    Scholar Lv 90
    you are strongly incorrect Reaper's Hysteria and Dancer's charm can be purified. As a BLM I have destroyed each attempt to counter my LB I mostly destroy them with a foul.
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    Mercury_Grey's Avatar
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    Character
    Jaune Belladonna-arc
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelittelot View Post
    you are strongly incorrect Reaper's Hysteria and Dancer's charm can be purified. As a BLM I have destroyed each attempt to counter my LB I mostly destroy them with a foul.
    No DNC and RPR LB can't be cleansed at all in PVP. DNC you have time to use a mvoement to get awawy so they can't increase the charm duration. Reaper LB debuff duration is only 2 seconds and is ins't
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    Player Necrotica's Avatar
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    Dolly Derringer
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Wish they would make the ranged dps have more ranged attacks. They reduced it too much.
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