Samurai LB and frontlines

[Sunhwapark]

First of all.
But why playing sage when you can play... i dunno, Anything else?

People have their own reasons for playing a class and it varies from person to person, some think a class looks cool or feels nice to play and so they will play that of course.
For me, I love the combat flow of RDM and MNK in PvP, so I like to play them often, though fortunately for us in PVP we can swap to any class to try out so there's not really any restrictions to what a person picks.

First of all.
we discussed samurai and i think we agreed that its not 1 on 1 *oh no i am dead because i didnt react to his slef buff deployment* We are talking about me using macrocosmos on 50 people and then getin 100% to 0 oneshot out of nowhere.

As I said before, it's an easy solution to use marks as they will save your life, If you're running in and blindly tossing macrocosmos into a clump of players every 30s with no consideration for your own safety then it's something you need to account for yourself if you want to avoid 'randomly getting oneshot' by a cheeky LB.

And i think i used proper english to explain why drill + LB combo is not viable against premade.

The LB combo is lethal to any healer that often pairup with the DRKS, the damage is lethal and you brought up not being able to 1-shot squishies. If the DRK is diving directly ontop of you in particular and you're a ranged class getting pulled, then you're considered out of position and you have been caught.

Premades do not care about objectives.

Yes they do, that's why they often have incredibly high win rates compared to random players. People often 'lead' alliances and direct them to objectives, or have things like macros counting down when to coordinate burst for groups. And as you described, they engage HARD, sweep up any leftovers and swiftly leave to the next node/point worth contending.

P.S. How high is BH of a shooter against a target on that screenshot?

BH4, but you're basically given BH5 for free because you can do the Drill+LB from BH3 on squishies to secure a kill every 90s ontop of any other assists/kills obtained in skirmishes. Also it's possible to use Wildfire with single shot before using drill+LB for an extra 12k potency ontop of the 58k which becomes overkill at that BH against a ranged target, but it's good against the melee players since the built in damage reduction makes them quite durable compared to ranged classes.

I don't have much else to add going back on topic as LeoBertolaso's post summarises any extra thoughts I may have had regarding Samurai's uses in FL, and yes it's worth giving a go to try at the very least a few times to at least see how it operates.

[Divinemights]

First of all.
You can do things with every job. I have seen sage top scoring in kills.
But why playing sage when you can play... i dunno, Anything else? Healers have scholars with their oh so skilled *apply dot and top score damage with 0 kills* or *stack up 4 scholars and have a laugh*, WHM has miracle that even after nerfs has a great CC potential, also LB. Astro is one of DRK girlfriends for a reason. I play as one to heal and buff people but i am doing it wrong apperently.
Second. we discussed samurai and i think we agreed that its not 1 on 1 *oh no i am dead because i didnt react to his slef buff deployment* We are talking about me using macrocosmos on 50 people and then getin 100% to 0 oneshot out of nowhere. That is not fun.
And i think i used proper english to explain why drill + LB combo is not viable against premade. Apperently not. between me and their astro with BH 5 is DRK who pushes 1 button and i am dead. LB has a giant range. Drill does not. Attempting to drill + LB against a premade is a ticket to Stix river. I know turret has shield. BUt i would rather deny the node take for enemy or debuff the target we are trying to kill which is hard in this meta even 1 vs 5 against BH melee/tank. Noone uses turret as a shield in frontlines.
And no. There is nothing more in this game than pulling enemies. Premades do not care about objectives. Especialy on ice licker map. They will just come and kill 10-15 people every 30 sec or so and win. Other maps have potential and can be won if enemy has ONE premade (surprise! It can be more than one!) and focus on one poor team instead of tactical thinking. But in the end its pull-in followed by some bullshit like 5 macrocosmos or maybe guard removal.
Samurai LB in frontlines is a cheap BS skill. That and Ninjas should be reworked. But only after DRK meta removal.
P.S. How high is BH of a shooter against a target on that screenshot?

By all mean, I would be more happy with 5.1 version SAM, a generic limit break is far better than this gimmick Limit Break that all veterans knows how to avoid
You call 6.1 version SAM OP, but this is gimped version where their solo kill got stripped (Ninja too)
6.1 version SAM is a just a newbie killer or a counter to DRK Synergy when paired with a PLD (although people don't know how to utlize this)

[Archeron]

Machinst can kill even with minimal battle high using Drill/LB combo, provided its against a non Melee job. MCH is not to be underestimated even if it isn't a meta role.

As far as the turret goes, which my mindest also applies to Sage due to its LB, I see more value in denying my enemy team damage, then putting out an AoE with minimal DPS that people will just walk around and ignore. The debuff it puts out on enemies even though it increases their damage taken, it really doesn't have any value and you don't need it to effectively nuke people. The other fun thing you can do with Machinist is coordinate with another Machinist, and instantly wipe out people from full health with 2x Marksmans Spite. That especially applies to Astrologians with BH V in DRK premades. Because if you can't stop them from mowing your team down, you can at least disrupt their gameplay and make them a bit salty in the process.

[Rinku421]

Remember when no one played SAM in PvP before the revamp? Good times.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

I play mostly machinist and definitely use my turret for both damage and providing a sheild buff not jut for me but to any of my Co-tanks heading into the fray. You don't put it at your feet but where you intend to take the fight. That being said, I'm sure a samurai has purposely nicked themselves on one to kill a machinist, but I'd be more impressed than angry.

[IDontPetLalas]

I don't understand why you wouldn't (1) double benefic yourself if you're nervous about hitting a a SAM as an AST, admittedly not as easy to shield yourself as a SCH, but not hard, and want to hit macro when people are clumped up. You are supporting your team by hitting macro (at the optimal times) , it shouldn't be a case of "eventually" using it, it's one of your most important skills.

[Lydia77]

You guys are living in candyland.
Yes i forgot about the shield part (i play more than 4 jobs in pvp and when i heal as astro my job is to double spam heal to save someone's butt, as they cling to last 10% of their HP bar). I use heals for my teammates not to shield myself. I will use double heal to save my friend that to *overheal* myself in case there is a stray samurai is in the bunch.
But you can not play around samurai. In the current meta i play around DRK premade or no DRK premade. Period. If samurais were a meta - sure. we would adapt and play around it being 101% HP. But instead i see my party being pulled in and oneshot (or nearly 1 shot) byt the so skillfull premade. SO i use my so valuable followup heal to save those who i can before they get finished off. Why? dunno. After a couple of those combos, even on the third team which we cant control at all (do not tell me to ambush the premade while they are busy with other team. it works 1 time out of 50), i face up a BH5 party with triple the ammount of scores. So there are 2 coises: try to do stuff as a honorable jesture and loose anyway, only to be blamed to not overheal myself (yes i forgot about the shield) against a lonely samurai in 20 people mess, or go afk in the spawn like 4 or 5 of your teammates did from the get-go.
And today i tried samurai for the first time in a year+. melee atatcks are potent, shield pierce is nice, but they are all so SLOW. i cast the ability and enemy ninja with 5% HP sprints away while my teammates are picking their nose. And LB is a chep shot. I killed like 5 without trying too much simply by waiting for LB and pressing 2 buttons. They didnt even attack me. And they died 100 to 0 through BH4
P.S. i denied 2 ninja LBs BS today with a last second recuperate. Thats what EVERYONE can do.