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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    If you played a Souls game and the hardest boss in the game can be glitched to fall off a cliff if you do a very specific movement pattern, is that not a problem that needs fixing? Does it matter if only a few people do it?
    Probably not? In fact a few bosses in Soul games can be beaten exactly like that. Bad example because in Soul the design is specifically made to encourage creative solutions to problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Probably not? In fact a few bosses in Soul games can be beaten exactly like that. Bad example because in Soul the design is specifically made to encourage creative solutions to problem.
    I think she means using the out of bounds jump skip on demon of hatred to make it fall of the cliff from sekiro which is 100% a bug they never fixed

    This isn’t like dragon rider in dark souls 2 where you can actually bait him off the platform with a charge which is an actual strategy on the fight if you didn’t raise the platform
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Probably not? In fact a few bosses in Soul games can be beaten exactly like that. Bad example because in Soul the design is specifically made to encourage creative solutions to problem.
    I specifically used the word "glitch", as in something that shouldn't happen, like clearing the hardest content in a trinity game without using the trinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Probably not? In fact a few bosses in Soul games can be beaten exactly like that. Bad example because in Soul the design is specifically made to encourage creative solutions to problem.
    That exact exploit was in Elden Ring, with Fire Giant, and they fixed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Bad example because in Soul the design is specifically made to encourage creative solutions to problem.
    I don't think you don't need to be a genius to realise that glitch like making Dragon rider fall of his platform in dark souls 2 is unintended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Does it matter that PF doesn't do it regularly? The fact that the current hardest content in the game can even be done without one entire role is already indicative of really bad design.

    If you played a Souls game and the hardest boss in the game can be glitched to fall off a cliff if you do a very specific movement pattern, is that not a problem that needs fixing? Does it matter if only a few people do it?
    It'd equivalent to someone telling you there's no burglary problem because they haven't personally seen it. Or saying the office elevator is fine because it has only killed 5 people in the last 3 months. There's still something structurally wrong with that elevator.

    This is why IRL.we commonly regard this kind of thinking as anecdotal or ignorant, even if it is innocuous.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 08-19-2024 at 11:20 AM.

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