M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[Somnolence]

Bump auto damage up 50% or nerf tank sustain 50% the result is the same

How about you do savage instead of spewing ignorant nonsense. Bosses chunk tanks with 30k autos. With 60k they will get 3-shot.

More casual healers being overwhelmed by mechs already let tanks die to them.

If you increase them more, healers will be forced to cure-bot. Because you would need 40-60k HPS to counteract autos and lilies etc. are too weak potency/GCD to keep up.

You believe this will incentivize more people to play healers?

[Bobby66]

As an old Hpal healer back in WoW. Low key the idea of being a main healer is a pld is awesome and I would 100% be down to try it.

[Kacho_Nacho]

As an old Hpal healer back in WoW. Low key the idea of being a main healer is a pld is awesome and I would 100% be down to try it.

I'm a WoW refugee too! Played a holy priest for years.

When I came to FFXIV back in 2.0, I was surprised paladins were not a healer/tank hybrid because you had to level gladiator and white mage to unlock it.

[Ishe-P]

Trying to riff healers is the most FF thing that's been an FF thing since FF1. I'm not exactly sure why folks are surprised. If you could figure out a comp that works without, say, a white mage, you'd do it too, and don't try to deny that you wouldn't.

[Aravell]

The main issue with this happening is that it's more optimal and not even more dangerous despite not having a healer, as long as everyone follows the mitigation spreadsheet to the letter.

No healer runs have been happening since ARR, this is true. But no healer runs back then were actual challenge runs, it wasn't easy and it was much slower than a regular comp run.

But after EW (and ShB, to a lesser extent), it became optimal to just drop the healer entirely, because it ends up being not anymore dangerous than normal and it's also a faster clear.

Healers right now are the worst in damage output, so if the extra healing power gained from bringing one isn't even needed, then healers are just worthless. One entire role being completely worthless as anything except safety insurance is extremely bad trinity design.

[Silver-Strider]

The main issue with this happening is that it's more optimal and not even more dangerous despite not having a healer, as long as everyone follows the mitigation spreadsheet to the letter.

No healer runs have been happening since ARR, this is true. But no healer runs back then were actual challenge runs, it wasn't easy and it was much slower than a regular comp run.

But after EW (and ShB, to a lesser extent), it became optimal to just drop the healer entirely, because it ends up being not anymore dangerous than normal and it's also a faster clear.

Healers right now are the worst in damage output, so if the extra healing power gained from bringing one isn't even needed, then healers are just worthless. One entire role being completely worthless as anything except safety insurance is extremely bad trinity design.

There was also the fact that Healers used to do way more damage back then too, doing more than Tanks most of the time since the bulk of Healer damage back then was from DoTs.

[HighlanderClone]

With 60k autos they will get 3-shot.

If you increase them more, healers will be forced to cure-bot. Because you would need 40-60k HPS to counteract autos

You don't even understand basic division so idk why you're lecturing a bunch of Ultimate healers on going to do Savage.

[Somnolence]

You don't even understand basic division so idk why you're lecturing a bunch of Ultimate healers on going to do Savage.

You mean about 30k + 50%? 30k is mitigated value since autos now don't happen constantly.

These guys want them nonstop and hurt more.

[Supersnow845]

You mean about 30k + 50%? 30k is mitigated value since autos now don't happen constantly.

These guys want them nonstop and hurt more.

Yes, this is savage (and ultimate), I want the boss to try to belt the tank to oblivion, this isn’t DRR we are playing

What’s the point of having 190k HP and 80% inherent defence when the autos hit you for 30k and the boss does like 5 per minute

I have single target healing, you have self healing you should be getting belted by the boss. Why do you need all that self healing if the autos don’t even hurt that much, it’s certainly not for busters because that’s what the long mits are for

[Somnolence]

Yes, this is savage (and ultimate), I want the boss to try to belt the tank to oblivion, this isn’t DRR we are playing

This playstyle cannot exist as long as healer dps parses are a thing.

Also even this healing situation is too much for weaker healers in PF. What is Yoshi-P to do to then, since healer population needs to be big enough it must be made even more accessible? Add even more healing tools to other jobs and further dumb down healing?