P4S cleared without healers

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

so tank replacing healer is fine and it only becomes a problem when dps are replacing healers ?
Then everything is fine, lets keep buffing tank healing and mitigation to get there !

Btw I fully expect the next ultimate to be cleared without healer on content. Unless they manage to make a "mandatory" heal LB3 that works unlike the TOP one.

IIRC TOP was cleared healerless in the same patch they were released.

[Wyti]

IIRC TOP was cleared healerless in the same patch they were released.

Pretty sure it was indeed

[IgnisLilly]

Tanks get full dps rotations, tanks get much closer to dps damage, tanks get healer healing, tanks can wear armor or dresses. Healers are not optimal in dungeons, healers are not optimal in some ex's and not necessary in others, healers are not necessary in savage. At what point are any of these considered problems? DT has been better on the whole in dungeons, but that's not universal, really only the level 95 feels like I'm needed for the final boss.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Tanks get full dps rotations, tanks get much closer to dps damage, tanks get healer healing, tanks can wear armor or dresses. Healers are not optimal in dungeons, healers are not optimal in some ex's and not necessary in others, healers are not necessary in savage. At what point are any of these considered problems? DT has been better on the whole in dungeons, but that's not universal, really only the level 95 feels like I'm needed for the final boss.

I wouldn't say "much closer"

[wildvenonat]

Tanks replacing healers still plays far worse than actually having a healer.

[Supersnow845]

Tanks replacing healers still plays far worse than actually having a healer.

The tanks literally lost zero damage in this fight, they didn’t cast a single clemency in uptime

[Mortex]

Tanks replacing healers still plays far worse than actually having a healer.

If the kill time is faster then taking 2 healer in the group and the tank players that heal still have more dmg then healers normally playing the fight then this will be the new speed kill group cause you can will skip a lot more and won’t need heals.

[Naychan]

If you're unhappy with the way this expansion is going then go vote for it at Metacritic, maybe SQE will notice if that starts dropping.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/fina...xiv-dawntrail/

[Sparkthor]

I don't ever think Metacritic votes are taken in account for game approuval, but the number of subscription by given times, which a way better proof of the extension success of failure.

About this, there is something indeed, but everytime I saw a healerless clear it's the same DPS : Reaper, Monk, Dancer and Summoner, the DPS with the strongest healing abilities and for sure, many Warrior And Paladin as needed for keeping the party alive and cheesing a maximum of things.

If healer perception was not as bad as it is now, theses kinds of success would've been take with much less salt and more like "What crazy players we have". Don't get me wrong, i really think healer need a overall rework allong tanks in order to better balance mitig vs heal requirement, because right now, the balance is much in favor of Mitig and heal requirement is not that big when mitig is perfectly executed.

But as annoying this is for the state of the game, it's much less worrying as something we got in the past :
- HW full locked team compositions
- SB semi locked compositions
- SB meta were tank in offense stance reach every players in every aspect of the game.
It's also something very hard to solve without breaking the entire game.


PS : I'm pretty sure many EW savage and even ShB savage coulf have clear without healer if more people were trying to do so, and probably as quick as M4S were clear today.