Improve reactiveness of tank gameplay

[Tunda]

I was thinking of how we can improve tank reactiveness while playing other games as Mr yoshi ask us to do

There is a cool concept for attacks and mitigation in Monster Hunter stories 2

Which is type of attacks: strength / speed / technique

I find it simple and fun to play with so I though maybe this kind of system will work for tanks

It is cool if we have tank mitigations with a reason behind them

You can use strength mitigation for monsters that have slow but hard hitting attack or speed for high speed mobs or technique for more casters like mobs

That could reward tank with finisher that makes sense not just after using your 120 sec skill cooldown

Instead of having 3 or 4 mitigations that could do same thing but some have less effectiveness

This could be also for tank busters if you think about it.

What do you think?

[Jeeqbit]

Players usually ignore reactiveness and don't use it.

For example, using raid-wide mit or Reprisal is reactive. Using Nascent Flash, TBN, cover or clemency on other players is reactive. Interrupting attacks or stunning them is reactive. Many players don't do these things.

We used to have specific mitigations like you are suggesting - one for physical attacks, one for magical attacks, but players started saying "well they are useless some of the time, please make them work on everything". So they did and now a lot of the mitigations do the same thing but with a different %. What remains (Dark Mind which only works against magic), people are still asking for it to just be a generic mitigation like all the others even within the last few days.

[Tunda]

Players usually ignore reactiveness and don't use it.

For example, using raid-wide mit or Reprisal is reactive. Using Nascent Flash, TBN, cover or clemency on other players is reactive. Interrupting attacks or stunning them is reactive. Many players don't do these things.

We used to have specific mitigations like you are suggesting - one for physical attacks, one for magical attacks, but players started saying "well they are useless some of the time, please make them work on everything". So they did and now a lot of the mitigations do the same thing but with a different %. What remains (Dark Mind which only works against magic), people are still asking for it to just be a generic mitigation like all the others even within the last few days.

The game is really not giving people enough learning for entry level players..

Hall of novice is so basic

I think if we have good tutorial quests for different mechanic that would improve gameplay for most players

Example : if you see red circle use your red mitigation
If blue circle use blue mitigation
And so on

[Turtledeluxe]

The game is really not giving people enough learning for entry level players..

Hall of novice is so basic

I think if we have good tutorial quests for different mechanic that would improve gameplay for most players

Example : if you see red circle use your red mitigation
If blue circle use blue mitigation
And so on

I agree with this. The game really doesn't prepare you for anything outside the very basics, and not even all the basics at that. I just feel that way about the game in general. So players don't use things or find things confusing, then the game gets nerfed in every conceivable way. It's unfortunate.

[Ayalu]

The Game has a lot of design problems and the more one looks and talks about them the more one finds them.
If the game never ask for mechanics then one cant learn those mechanics. For example Stuns and interuption...they dont work against enemies that would need it the most. So of course people dont use it.
Esuna could also be a example, its a condition clear spell but most conditions nowadays are not affected by the spell so far that people will be more surprised than anything when they can esuna something.

[Tunda]

The Game has a lot of design problems and the more one looks and talks about them the more one finds them.
If the game never ask for mechanics then one cant learn those mechanics. For example Stuns and interuption...they dont work against enemies that would need it the most. So of course people dont use it.
Esuna could also be a example, its a condition clear spell but most conditions nowadays are not affected by the spell so far that people will be more surprised than anything when they can esuna something.

if we say let's not change any thing because some people may fail.. we cannot change anything really.. I think most people are not ready for 8.0 not being interesting.

Game should introduce mechanics and its tutorial with it.. we will reach to the point where we stick with the current jobs state forever

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Game should introduce mechanics and its tutorial with it.. we will reach to the point where we stick with the current jobs state forever

How long have you been playing? We've more or less been there since Shadowbringers.

Removing mechanics and replacing them with nothing is FFXIV's bread and butter.

[CamuiKushi]

I really like how Picto's shield reduces the cooldown if you use it wisely. I wish the tanks had some things like that. Imagine if the 40% mit was reduced to a 90s cooldown if the damage coming in was sufficient to justify its use.

[Ayalu]

In general i agree thats why i hope that 8.0 will big a really big shake up.
Or in more humorous tone, i hope yoshida and his team sunders the current system in a way not seen since the ancient world ;p

[Inputnamehere]

This game can't have "reactiveness." Not in the current design.
The current design revolves around scripting. Everything is scripted and time-based. You're supposed to press X skill at Y time point, and that's it. Reactiveness will break that.

Reactiveness is a possible solution to the current healer problem, I'd say. Say, bosses will target random players with unpredictable, "unscripted" attacks, that require healers to react. That's the kind of healer gameplay I'd like to see.

Butt, as lotta people said, we'll have to see how much change they'll willingly do in the next major update.

Just please don't continue on the current path and add another bunch of "XXX-ready" upgrades.