Add different type of monsters attacks

[Tunda]

Hello

While I was playing Monster hunter stories 2 I found a really good concept that makes things fun for me

Which is attack type
Strength / speed / technique

What if we had similar concept for tank mitigation

If wrong type of mitigation it will loose 50% of its effectiveness

As a risk and reward thing

What do you think?

[WhyAmIHere]

wouldnt work in modern XIV; would need to've been in from the start and not been a pain point (old slash/pierce/blunt resist down).

Additionally we already kind of have that in Dark Mind, Dark Missionary, and Heart of Light for DRK and GNB: only good for magic.

[Tunda]

wouldnt work in modern XIV; would need to've been in from the start and not been a pain point (old slash/pierce/blunt resist down).

Additionally we already kind of have that in Dark Mind, Dark Missionary, and Heart of Light for DRK and GNB: only good for magic.

It is kinda janky the current system

What I mean is like monsters auto attacks for example have 3 types.. currently we have one basic type auto attack

Tanks usually use 2 3 mitigation at once and I don't think this is a good way to approach tank gameplay

Dark Mind is good on paper but outside of that it feel janky and less important than others

Because there Is no use for monster attack types I can use TBN without giving another thought process

The reward is free Dark attack which is not that great imo
And that if it proc if not it will give nothing

That is the issue

[CKNovel]

So basically you're creating 3 buttons, maybe cutting 1 existing mitigation into 3 differents mitigations.
If the buster is a water attack you need to press your grass mitigation. If it's fire you need to press your water mitigation. If it's grass you need to press your fire mitigation.

Here's the problems:
-Button bloat, effectively creates 3 buttons to answer the same situation except you need to press the correctly colored one.
-Cutting prevemptive mitigation, currently tanks can take advantage of the long duration to predict a tank buster and prevemptively cast their mitigation earlier so it comes back earlier as well while also taking more hits.
-Creates a reactive gameplay instead of the planning gameplay we are used to, this would completely turns the mitigation design on its head.

In short, you'll trade a lot of skill expression related to mitigation for a reaction based gameplay where you just press the exact same buttons but with the correct color, similar to pokemon typing.

[Tunda]

So basically you're creating 3 buttons, maybe cutting 1 existing mitigation into 3 differents mitigations.
If the buster is a water attack you need to press your grass mitigation. If it's fire you need to press your water mitigation. If it's grass you need to press your fire mitigation.

Here's the problems:
-Button bloat, effectively creates 3 buttons to answer the same situation except you need to press the correctly colored one.
-Cutting prevemptive mitigation, currently tanks can take advantage of the long duration to predict a tank buster and prevemptively cast their mitigation earlier so it comes back earlier as well while also taking more hits.
-Creates a reactive gameplay instead of the planning gameplay we are used to, this would completely turns the mitigation design on its head.

In short, you'll trade a lot of skill expression related to mitigation for a reaction based gameplay where you just press the exact same buttons but with the correct color, similar to pokemon typing.

I don't see skill expression of pressing 2 or 3 buttons to mitigate 1 attack

It is just more button to press for no reason

[CKNovel]

I don't see skill expression of pressing 2 or 3 buttons to mitigate 1 attack

It is just more button to press for no reason

And can you please tell me where the skill expression lies in your idea?
Pressing the corresponding color when I see one is something we'd play in kindergarten.

Let's be serious, do you honestly see someone going "oh no I pressed the wrong color!!"
Also, screw the colorblind I guess.

[Tunda]

And can you please tell me where the skill expression lies in your idea?
Pressing the corresponding color when I see one is something we'd play in kindergarten.

Let's be serious, do you honestly see someone going "oh no I pressed the wrong color!!"
Also, screw the colorblind I guess.

the risk could be done by use the right mitigation for the right attack instead of using any tank mitigation you have (I have seen some tanks use 3 mitigation skills for 1 TB)
rewards continuation to mitigation with hard hitting attack based on job identity that can vary based on job.

it can be anything really color/icon/text whatever.
the most important risk and rewards structure should be unique for all tanks

[SquigglySquigs95]

And can you please tell me where the skill expression lies in your idea?
Pressing the corresponding color when I see one is something we'd play in kindergarten.

Let's be serious, do you honestly see someone going "oh no I pressed the wrong color!!"
Also, screw the colorblind I guess.

Well you see, OP thinks Simon Says is a complex game with tons of room for player expression, clearly.

[SquigglySquigs95]

No use trying to speak reason top this guy.
I've legit never seen a good post from this guy, period, and I'm fairly certain he has to be baiting with how often he comes here with genuinely awful ideas while ignoring other peoples refutations (similar to how he ignored you pointing out that tanks already have skill expression in the form of preemptive mitigation use).

[Connor]

I mean, intent of the OP aside there might still be something in there to be discussed. Even a dumpster fire might have something valuable inside if you look hard enough lol.

We already have physical and magical damage so maybe they could something more with that? At this point the distinction barely exists anymore outside of the few remaining type-specific defensive abilities like Dark Mind, Fey Illumination or Magick Barrier.

Then again, the fact they’ve all but moved away from that distinction means at this point maybe it would be better if they just removed the distinction entirely? Though, that’s not as fun I’d say