Mentors

[Alice_Rivers]

I expect there is an element of toxic players wanting the "status" of the crown, there are also "mentors" in NN who have no idea what they're talking about, If someone suggested instituting actual exams for becoming a mentor I'd be the first to second it (even if I'd probably fail a fair number of probable tests - I'm terrible at practical tanking even though I know the theory, for example). It also probably doesn't help that there is a mount locked behind 2k mentor roulette completions so all those mount hoarders have to become battle mentors to complete their collections regardless of how good they are at actually playing the game.

I have heard of cases where people farm guildhest roulette for commendations which really shouldn't be a thing... Nothing in guildhests is worthy of commendation, ever, there shouldn't even be the option.

[ZXN]

There ARE mentors that do genuinely try to help players, but they are pretty much over-shadowed by the "mentors" that just see the crown as a status symbol of sorts to inflate their ego and just don't really care about trying to help players because there isn't really any reason for them to do so. Add in the fact that some of the "advice" that some mentors will confidently give other players is so mind-numblingly awful and you gradually learn the reasons of why the mentor crown is called "The Burger King Crown."

[Shinku_Tachi]

There ARE mentors that do genuinely try to help players, but they are pretty much over-shadowed by the "mentors" that just see the crown as a status symbol of sorts to inflate their ego and just don't really care about trying to help players because there isn't really any reason for them to do so. Add in the fact that some of the "advice" that some mentors will confidently give other players is so mind-numblingly awful and you gradually learn the reasons of why the mentor crown is called "The Burger King Crown."

Either this, or they often give "advice" in the most sneering, "I'm better thank you, so listen to me," manner possible.

Which is pretty much why I mentioned on the other page I only wear the trade crown and not the big crown. I just don't want to be associated with that sort of behavior.

[Khryseis_Astra]

It's not that they should be mistake free but I know to unlock mentor you need to have max level in a tank, dps, and healer, and you need like 1500 commendations. So with all that play time how do some Mentors still not understand the fundamentals of their classes? I'm not saying a player should be perfect but when I get a mentor who is constantly using cure 1 instead of cure 2 and never uses any other healing when I use all my mits and invuln and I'm still dropping I do not get it.

Maybe they’re not playing “their classes.” I just assume - especially right now, right after a new expansion has dropped - that a lot of people, mentors or not, are leveling classes they don’t main or even play much at all, just to get them all to 100 for the mount. I know I am. lol And I’m not a very confident healer, but I do my best. The tank and healer I used to recert my crown are the only ones I know well. The rest I’m re-learning every expansion.

That said, there’s the other side of the coin where people who don’t level every class, don’t necessarily understand what other classes’ kits look like from level to level. I mean, for your example, I know not to use Cure 1, but WHM pre-lilies can be pretty rough in some duties! There will be some wipes. But I’ll get better as I go along… and then I’ll do it all over again next expansion. lol

[Zeastria]

"Good"/"Bad" players and all between exist everywhere ( from casual to high end).
Titel/status dosn't reflect or prove anything!

It may seems (most)Mentor = bad..
but That's because you're paying more attetion to them.
you're more conscious about it.

Start paying attetion to others too
and you will understad what i am saying.

[hydralus]

"Good"/"Bad" players and all between exist everywhere ( from casual to high end).
Titel/status dosn't reflect or prove anything!

It may seems (most)Mentor = bad..
but That's because you're paying more attetion to them.
you're more conscious about it.

Start paying attetion to others too
and you will understad what i am saying.

Naturally good and bad players distribute evenly in all stratum, but it is comical that someone wears the mentor crown while knowing very little about the game they've played so much of.

[Jeeqbit]

I tend to find that battle mentors are competent and know what I expect them to know. For example, if I do bigger pulls they can normally handle it and if I do something that only experienced players would understand, they know exactly what I'm doing, whereas I might avoid it if it's a sprout because they obviously can barely understand basic telegraphs in many cases.

Sometimes that's the case with trade mentors but not always, it varies, because they are often sprouts in disguise or lack the same sort of experience that battle mentors have. So you'd have to be more specific about what type of mentor they were.

Also, do remember that battle mentors play a variety of classes/roles, sometimes just to challenge themselves. That being the case, it may challenge them so much due to unfamiliarity that they may mess up. This is really the case for any player too. Dungeon players are often just people playing/leveling alt classes they don't play regularly.

[Karious]

I usually have my mentor crown on when doing roulettes. I consistently give advice when people ask, and I tend to walk away with a commendation or two from each dungeon. Not everyone is terrible. Something something confirmation bias.

[1313]

"Mentors are the worst" is something noobs say. I know lots of long time players with a full crown who don't remember how to play certain jobs, or know how certain systems work. They've just obtained the crown by playing for years. Some of these people are disabled, some have been gone for a long time and just returned, some are senior citizens, etc. I didn't see any specification as to which type of mentor was encountered in this run, and there's no details regarding the gear of tank or healer. So who knows who's to blame? For all we have been given, it's unclear who the real problem is. Blaming crowns cuz you had a bad experience and then got kicked just seems like you need to blow off some steam.

Why does it matter about the type of mentor, or gear? Trade mentors are often sprouts who didn't want to lose access to novice network chat. PvP mentors, don't need to explain that one. That, in addition to what I said earlier, are all various reasons that could be why you didn't get a kick ass healer who goes full ham on the pulls. Is your gear on par with that dungeon? What about the healer, and the DPS? Bardam's mettle is the gear check dungeon for SB, so if you try to w2w while lacking on gear, no matter if it is you or the party members, then efforts will fall short and wipes will happen. You need more than just aggro and heals to get through big pulls. If your dps hit like wetnoodles slapping a pillow, then you're gonna take a ton more damage and your healers resources will be spent along with yours. If you and the healer are undergeared, you'll be the one to melt. Seems that you didn't even look into the gear of anybody at all, and just went ham then got upset cuz you didn't win.

You gotta be attentive, and sometimes hitting the brakes and adapting is the best choice instead of fuming over a healer that didn't sync up with how you want to play the game. If you want better, focus on bettering yourself and your habits, your perspective, and be as helpful as you can to YOUR TEAM, not to your personal ideals.

Sorry if i seem like I'm shitting on you, it's not my intent. I'm just blunt, and offering you sound advice. Do what you will with it. Happy hunting o/

[CaedemSanguis]

"Mentors are the worst" is something noobs say.

oh, some 99/100 parse, several week 1, some day 2 savage clears, savage raiding since 3.0, im a noob xd