Alliance Raid Roulette

[Jib]

Ive started playing FFXIV since HW. I always felt Alliance was a slog, took too long. Recently I have seen an effort from the team to make them shorter, 30m maximum.

So ive been playing them more. Fun but at least in EU its ALWAYS LEVEL 50!!!

I think i would be fun if they made a system where Alliance raid had more variety and still be around max 30m. We have amazing level 60, 70, 80, 90 raids. We have variety!

All comes to, make it that Alliance roulette is not always level 50 and still be around under 30m in a normal everyday group.

Maybe everyweek change the level of the Alliance raid. So 1 week level 50 and so forth, or just make algorythm better. Open to ideas.

Just an idea - would love it!

[LianaThorne]

Alliance raid depends on a few things, but the biggest one is probably that people don't go out of their way to unlock the extra alliance raids. Since they aren't an MSQ requirement in the same way as CT, some just genuinely aren't aware that they exist. I personally think that's a leading factor in why CT pops so much since they supposedly fixed the cheese strat of dropping ilvl to force CT to spawn.

[Basteala]

Alliance raid depends on a few things, but the biggest one is probably that people don't go out of their way to unlock the extra alliance raids. Since they aren't an MSQ requirement in the same way as CT, some just genuinely aren't aware that they exist. I personally think that's a leading factor in why CT pops so much since they supposedly fixed the cheese strat of dropping ilvl to force CT to spawn.

It's absolutely this. There's 24 people in an Alliance Raid and not only do they need to have done something other than CT just for it to maybe not be CT, but they need to have done the same one. Tataru's Grand Endeavor I think tried to fix this by making Shadow of Mhach a requirement and you know what? I see it more than NieR and certainly more than Ivalice nowadays. Not CT levels, mind, but not awful.

[ZephyrMenodora]

It's absolutely this. There's 24 people in an Alliance Raid and not only do they need to have done something other than CT just for it to maybe not be CT, but they need to have done the same one. Tataru's Grand Endeavor I think tried to fix this by making Shadow of Mhach a requirement and you know what? I see it more than NieR and certainly more than Ivalice nowadays. Not CT levels, mind, but not awful.

I could have sworn something needed the Ivalice raids too. I can't remember what - just looked it up - it was Shadowbringers Relic stuff. Unfortunately as that gets more dated and less relevant I suppose less people will have done it.

[Basteala]

I could have sworn something needed the Ivalice raids too. I can't remember what - just looked it up - it was Shadowbringers Relic stuff. Unfortunately as that gets more dated and less relevant I suppose less people will have done it.

Yeah it was the SHB relic, and Ivalice popped up more during that time for Alliance raid too. But I think more casual players did Tataru's Endeavor than they did Bozja.

[Voidmage]

Alliance raid depends on a few things, but the biggest one is probably that people don't go out of their way to unlock the extra alliance raids. Since they aren't an MSQ requirement in the same way as CT, some just genuinely aren't aware that they exist. I personally think that's a leading factor in why CT pops so much since they supposedly fixed the cheese strat of dropping ilvl to force CT to spawn.

I really don’t get why they don’t make all of them MSQ needed.
They all give lore for the world (Ivalice), pick up old stories (Mhachi) or are even a kind of continuation of the MSQ (the twelve). Nier is the only one I have doubts but even that gives us dwarf lore.

The writers would have also a much easier time not having to dance around them being done or not.

They aren’t even hard and at some point a game can expect people to actually play the game if they want to experience the story.

The entire alliance roulette problems would be solved with that more or less.

[Paladinleeds]

I really don’t get why they don’t make all of them MSQ needed.
They all give lore for the world (Ivalice), pick up old stories (Mhachi) or are even a kind of continuation of the MSQ (the twelve). Nier is the only one I have doubts but even that gives us dwarf lore.

The writers would have also a much easier time not having to dance around them being done or not.

They aren’t even hard and at some point a game can expect people to actually play the game if they want to experience the story.

The entire alliance roulette problems would be solved with that more or less.

They don't necessarily need to do that, but they could make it so you are required to have all the alliance raids for your level unlocked (like they've done with the ilvl cheese strat having requirements being based on your level). That would likely force people to unlock them, which is the end-goal here.

[DynnDiablos]

There has been a huge influx of legitimate new players since Dawntrail, which can drag out the roulette because we have first timers and I have noticed it is throwing off the veteran players because its making alliance raids go longer. I think folks need to remember these roulettes are intended for players trying to complete content. Yes, we get benefits to it, but we aren't guaranteed a swift ride.

[Shinku_Tachi]

There has been a huge influx of legitimate new players since Dawntrail, which can drag out the roulette because we have first timers and I have noticed it is throwing off the veteran players because its making alliance raids go longer. I think folks need to remember these roulettes are intended for players trying to complete content. Yes, we get benefits to it, but we aren't guaranteed a swift ride.

Exactly. That is a point that tends to get lost in the sauce with all the roulette discussion.

It's also why A-Raid roulette isn't gonna be tweaked any further than it already has (same with MSQ roulette, tbh).

At the end of the day, if ppl are bored with CT and wanna do the Ivalice or Nier raid, fine, they can queue for those directly. Otherwise, if they insist on clicking the optional roulette, they can accept what's thrown at them and keep it movin.

[CaptainLagbeard]

The ARR ones have the highest chances of showing up as they're the lowest level so there can be people who can only enter them in queue, and them being the only mandatory ones new players might have just skipped out on the other Alliance Raid series as the go through the MSQ.