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    So give it utility like PCT and move on. Not like the PCT heal is amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    So give it utility like PCT and move on. Not like the PCT heal is amazing.
    Leaving it selfish dps is the non homogenous way to do it. This would work too, it's just job homogenization logic.

    It isn't just BLM either. PCT is eating RDM and SMN lunch too in clears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Leaving it selfish dps is the non homogenous way to do it. This would work too, it's just job homogenization logic.

    It isn't just BLM either. PCT is eating RDM and SMN lunch too in clears.
    Selfish DPS is just an outdated concept, ignoring poor MCH (who barely even counts as selfish as it’s the only DPS with 2 non conditional mitigations) a DPS shouldn’t immediately always be in contention for top spot simply because they don’t bring anything to the raid besides damage

    There is also just the fact that where do you draw the line with utility? Is star prism utility (I’d say yes) is SAM’s disgusting new defensive that basically makes it an off tank utility (I’d say yes a lot of people say no)

    The modern game is built so heavily around raid buffs that every DPS should have some form of conditional utility (like star prism or SAM’s defensive) so that every single tier the top of the charts isn’t dominated by the same 3 classes who are there simply because they are selfish
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Selfish DPS is just an outdated concept, ignoring poor MCH (who barely even counts as selfish as it’s the only DPS with 2 non conditional mitigations) a DPS shouldn’t immediately always be in contention for top spot simply because they don’t bring anything to the raid besides damage

    There is also just the fact that where do you draw the line with utility? Is star prism utility (I’d say yes) is SAM’s disgusting new defensive that basically makes it an off tank utility (I’d say yes a lot of people say no)

    The modern game is built so heavily around raid buffs that every DPS should have some form of conditional utility (like star prism or SAM’s defensive) so that every single tier the top of the charts isn’t dominated by the same 3 classes who are there simply because they are selfish
    I would go against this

    All dps jobs should be selfish

    There should be another role in the game called "support"
    Which is not dps not tank not healer

    They should have supporting utilities every 2 min buffs
    Instead of giving it to all jobs and now we have tanks who heal more than healers(warrior)

    Dancer bard should be support role they do all buffs for party

    Light party:
    1 tank
    1 healer
    1dps
    1 support

    Full party:
    2 dps
    2 support
    2 healers
    2 tanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Leaving it selfish dps is the non homogenous way to do it. This would work too, it's just job homogenization logic.

    It isn't just BLM either. PCT is eating RDM and SMN lunch too in clears.
    No such thing. Either you are the best in dps or you are balanced. They just need the PCT utility and then they will be fine. Besides, all classes have some kind of healing. You won't be the "best" no matter what, so take the utility and move on.
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