Savage guides are a nuisance (when posted this early)

[Reimmi]

OP i recommend making a static with blind prog as your goal, there is no world where *all* guide creators will stop making guides for youtube clicks lol

[TaleraRistain]

Like others said, I'd make a static with blind prog as your goal. There are blind progs I see on Aether so you can also just try a PF with that listed and see what you get.

[Rueby]

I thought this game had discords for people willing to blind prog? Or is it only old content?
I mean content creators like Hector have their best interest to churn out guides as quick as possible.. so I doubt you can do anything about it. Of course you can voice your dismay, but not everyone wants to suffer blindly into a fight if a guide is there. (Unless this is what they want)

[EdwinChucklenuts]

Yeah, unfortunately this is a symptom of a bigger problem with playing multiplayer games in the modern day. Back in the early WoW and EverQuest days nobody really knew what was going on and it had this whole unexplored frontier element. Now we've got shit like data mining, people who profit from day 1 guides, not to mention most players now typically follow cookie cutter type builds (when there's shit like talent trees involved). There's an obsession with optimization and speedrunning ever present. If you don't spoil yourself by doing a bunch of research beforehand on a dungeon you've never ran before, it's considered a bad thing.

[localareanetwork]

I thought this game had discords for people willing to blind prog? Or is it only old content?
I mean content creators like Hector have their best interest to churn out guides as quick as possible.. so I doubt you can do anything about it. Of course you can voice your dismay, but not everyone wants to suffer blindly into a fight if a guide is there. (Unless this is what they want)

Not just discords, usually if stuff is new there are a ton of PFs where it says something like "blind and fresh" and the like.

[TaleraRistain]

Yeah, unfortunately this is a symptom of a bigger problem with playing multiplayer games in the modern day. Back in the early WoW and EverQuest days nobody really knew what was going on and it had this whole unexplored frontier element. Now we've got shit like data mining, people who profit from day 1 guides, not to mention most players now typically follow cookie cutter type builds (when there's shit like talent trees involved). There's an obsession with optimization and speedrunning ever present. If you don't spoil yourself by doing a bunch of research beforehand on a dungeon you've never ran before, it's considered a bad thing.

To be fair in regards to EQ, that was mostly because raids were contested so guilds took their raid strategies to the grave.

[Atreides]

The problem with blind prog outside of a static is usually that when filling a group how are they suppose to know how you play mechanics? Sure you can make sheets and show them but that would also mean they'd have to study the blindprog of others if they join in later. So this likely only works when entering a fight for the first time.

[LianaThorne]

This isn't anything new for savage, at least as long as I've been here. You'll have blind progs namely the first day or two and then it'll shift towards guides being used because it should equal out to faster clears. That doesn't mean blind progs don't exist, it just means they're not as frequent. I still see them daily on Crystal for this current tier, even with guides being out though.

Ultimately though, if you want to do something in a specific way you should get used to creating your own PF groups. I know some people get anxiety over it but at the end of the day it's either that or wait for a blind prog to come up during your window of playtime.

[Somnolence]

lol I've also noticed this, while it's nothing new, you basically have to study and do your homework these days for a game which I ain't just feeling it. People just got so used to getting spoonfed by the solution to the puzzles that it's basically the "meta" and then they complain about the game being braindead when all they do is blindly follow a guide without any questions asked. Games are easy if you have strategy guide to follow lol. That's the only thing I'm very jealous of world first teams - they get to play the game without any help as it is intended to while figuring out and coming up with solutions themselves. You cannot have that in party finder sadly unless you immediately log in when the servers go up, otherwise you might get hit with "watch guide" listings when you get home after work 6 hours later...

I'm honestly not happy with it but at the same time, the best you can do is create your own party finder listing and wait...

Most mechs we have are recycled and there is little to figure out.

All that matters is positioning and if floor has some pattern that can be used.

So how do you solve this? By drawing a floor map on some app and seeing where everybody should go? Cannot do that collaboratively without screen share and it would be PITA to coordinate solving it with markers in random blind PF.

So for blind prog, having a static and using discord is almost a requirement.

As for PF/general non-blind making and sharing raidplan/video guide is just far more efficient and gets everyone on the same page, esp. since we have long since adapted many standard conventions like clock positions, protean pairs, m1/m2 designations etc. etc.

[Chiru_Kai]

Blind progging is great. I've done it for the longest time. I recommend it to anyone who wants to actually "git gud".
Find a static or create one that is dedicated to that playstyle though, and don't force this playstyle on everyone else when everyone else clearly prefers guides.

Blind progging in PF is delusional though. It does not work at all due to the public nature of it.
No two blind prog parties are the same in PF. It's already bad with a variety of guides and strats for the same mechanic. It's WORSE for public blind prog parties, so you will be re-progging the same things every time you join a blind party. You might join a blind prog party with the prog point at, idk, 60% into the fight, but all 8 people in that party have different ideas on how to get to that 60% because they all have different experiences from different blind prog parties before they joined this one. Then if you try to create a single strat, some morons will consider that as being "not blind". That is why there are guides to just say "hey, this is how we're gonna do things"