Loot System for Savage

[Somnolence]

The new Ultimates and Criterion won't be out for months though.

Its November, no? Lets assume 12 weeks.

Lets say you need pants and have 2 other left-side pieces needing upgrades. That is 12 books of M3.

If you don't win anything in M3 and don't even clear it week1 then you won't even have BiS by ultimate patch but will need nuts/alliance upgrades.

[WhiteFlow]

I mean is this rly the engagement i should enjoy? (just for the luls)



Its def my last tier in PF. I simply dont enjoy this.

[LilyPendragon]

I mean is this rly the engagement i should enjoy? (just for the luls)



Its def my last tier in PF. I simply dont enjoy this.

Just roll better, obviously a skill issue 4head

[1313]

"this keeps people subbed longer" is a load of crap. The loot system for savage is crap. What's the fix? Hell if I know, not my problem to figure it out. Something more rewarding for time and effort is all I can suggest to make it worth the sub money.

[Xuled]

just unlock it from the get go so you can run for infinite books. if you burn yourself out, your problem not the devs. but at least then it wouldnt feel absolutely terrible to gear alts or even off-jobs you may want to try in more difficult content

[Raven2014]

just unlock it from the get go so you can run for infinite books. if you burn yourself out, your problem not the devs.

- Burnt out people stop playing and stop subbing.

- Burnt out people tend to complain about being burn out.

- Burnt out people than complain about having nothing to do.

You know why we have laws to stop people from doing stupid things instead of just "let people do what they want and face their own consequence"? Because when people do stupid things, they tend to cause collateral damage to those around them.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

- Burnt out people stop playing and stop subbing.

- Burnt out people tend to complain about being burn out.

- Burnt out people than complain about having nothing to do.

You know why we have laws to stop people from doing stupid things instead of just "let people do what they want and face their own consequence"? Because when people do stupid things, they tend to cause collateral damage to those around them.

lol i'm sorry but I can't see doubling rewards or making savage the same as normal for loot causing people to get burned out.

[Colt47]

Since the last tier, i started a thread that addressed the loot system for the Savage and took out my frustration on it. That hasn't changed for this tier either. (i know we are on 2nd week)

The reason for this is how unfair it feels not to get any loot when you make the effort to clear it in PF.

I know that a static is the easiest answer, but that's not always an option.

Last tier the number of books that can be exchanged for the Savage items was reduced.

That is sure a nice step to get faster to his bis, but in my opinion doesn't improve the unfairness of the loot system.

What do you think? Should it stay as it is or should further adjustments be made?

My opinion is that savage is an after-thought that was included to cater specifically to people who sort of want something like WoW gear progression, but don't want to go into the hellhole that is... WoW gear progression. After clearing every tier in the past expansion plus the final two of Shadowbringers I feel like the entire thing has way too many restrictions. They added party wide buffs for having diversity which ends up being a ball and chain when the latest jobs are the most popular ones. The lockout system also sucks. I can't think of anyone who would want this system and even reducing books is just pointless.

[Raikai]

As a PF raider, it's frustrating to see some people leaving with ALL roll-able rewards while others get pity books. Week after week!

I'd like to see two changes:

- The implementation of a special loot rule that only allows people to win ONE item during the period that the raid loot is still restricted, similar to how it is to normal modes.

- Don't lock us out of previous floors' loot if we don't follow the clear order. To make an example of this: I'm reclearing the 3rd floor because I still need pieces there, but I don't need 1 or 2 anymore. The problem is that I can't help Party Finder clears for those floors without compromising people's loot, which feels bad.

[Colt47]

Chiru is correct: Basically the loot system for savage is gated and meant to prevent people from having all the loot too quickly. However, it also became a problem in another way because due to the anemic rate at which people can acquire gear for jobs, it inflates the value of crafted combat gear and also limits people in what jobs they can take at once to a savage. This is compounded by the fact that savage requires groups of people playing distinct jobs to max out the bonuses from the party system.

The classic MMOs that FFXIV based itself off of do not require their players to grind experience on different specs, nor do they let people play multiple roles on the same character. Typically, the player levels up on a single character and then hits end game where they gain gear and other random items that benefit the specific build they chose. The only way FFXIV could semi simulate this is by allowing universal savage gear that works on all jobs of all roles.

I remember complaints back in the day on the WoW forums, but they never were about the same kind of things that are showing up in FFXIV. FFXIV complaints are usually targeting some pretty nasty issues that sound like they are only surface level problems when there are deeper issues at play. I'm reminded of the viper changes and people not remembering that there is a debuff limit on bosses, such that they have to put a hard cap on how many can show up on the boss.