With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[Kusanagi7]

I too am a transwoman. I have absolutely no issue with anyone complaining about her work as Wuk Lamat, or her poor behavior. I think her calling out that woman for not being trans and saying she should be fired over it is absolutely detestable. I have no interest in defending her. I have no interest in Sena Bryer at all actually. The only point I'm trying to make is that regardless of her behavior or the things she said it doesn't make it okay for people to call her a he, which several people in this thread have done, or to say things like trans women are trying to be like women. We are just women. I have no sympathy for her, but just because she said some bad things doesn't mean we should stoop to her level.

It's fine if you want to believe that lie I won't stop you but you can't stop those of us who are on the side of the truth to believe that. I'm not saying you personally are but there are some here who are and as for the calling him him and he I can only speak for myself but I'm not doing it out of a place of hate I'm just telling the truth that's all if I said she or her then I would be lying and I'm not doing that.

[HighlanderClone]

this thread is a symptom of just how far the west has fallen

everyone's infinitely more interested in talking about trans this gender that than any actual issue lmfao

[FlowerMilk]

It's fine if you want to believe that lie I won't stop you but you can't stop those of us who are on the side of the truth to believe that. I'm not saying you personally are but there are some here who are and as for the calling him him and he I can only speak for myself but I'm not doing it out of a place of hate I'm just telling the truth that's all if I said she or her then I would be lying and I'm not doing that.

Yeah, this is pretty much exactly what I described. As you can see there's no point in interacting with someone who is saying some transphobic BS like this and pretending like it's totally fine lol. Just report and ignore them and hopefully the mods will see it, like I said they've already been banning people for misgendering and stuff.

[Vensaval]

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Despite how much you want it to be, disagreement isn't hate.

[Antharaes]

I have been following this thread with a lot of interest and there are some things that I need to get of my chest.

I don't care about people being trans. If you are trans and want to be either gender, male or female, why do you need to label yourself as trans first ? You want to be accepted as the gender you chose, then refer to yourself as male or female, and leave it at that. We don't need to know, you were a male or female before. It's of no importance and since when are regular woman cis ? I've been a woman for almost 65 years and I don't need to be labeled by a movement.

All those labels, that people put on themselves trying to make them stand out, but all you achieve is another box with yet another label. I don't fit in a box, let alone one with a label, so please, stop putting me in one, because you yourself stepped willingly in one.

[Rueby]

I too am a transwoman. I have absolutely no issue with anyone complaining about her work as Wuk Lamat, or her poor behavior. I think her calling out that woman for not being trans and saying she should be fired over it is absolutely detestable. I have no interest in defending her. I have no interest in Sena Bryer at all actually. The only point I'm trying to make is that regardless of her behavior or the things she said it doesn't make it okay for people to call her a he, which several people in this thread have done, or to say things like trans women are trying to be like women. We are just women. I have no sympathy for her, but just because she said some bad things doesn't mean we should stoop to her level.

Then I apologize for my heated response. However, the person you quoted who responded to me didn't call her 'he' as far as I know, neither did I. I think you make a reasonable request, however I do doubt you'd find the desired result. I personally don't agree simply because people use it as ammunition to point the metaphorical gun to everyone's head and use the big scary T-word. I have nothing against trans people at all, I've met a few chill ones and I've met a few unhinged ones that sent me to therapy from all the gaslighting. You'll find awful human beings and that fact knows no race, gender or sexuality.

I think people are frustrated/angry that alot of criticism gets deflected, and plenty of bad actors hide behind being LGBTQ to dodge criticism, I've had it happen to me despite being bi I got called a homophobe for hating a gay character (because he was useless) and it got turned into 'nah you hate him because he got it on with a djinn. I think plenty of people came here just to defend Sena, shut down any discussion, go ahead and call everyone weird or transphobe.

I know you probably don't care, but for anyone wondering what the origin of cis/trans is and why it's used for gender identity, here you go:

Thank you for that, that's informative, I'm always open and happy to learn something new. When I read Sena's posts I don't get the feeling of neutrality however, I get a sense of envy and entitlement, and I'm not putting words in her mouth, she broadcasted these feelings herself. She's not even sugarcoating her words, she's spiteful towards 'cis' people because they get jobs and she doesn't and it's not taken out of context either. If there's discrimination, I can understand but it could also be that she's not what they want/need for the job.

I'm sure you'll find a way to take this and twist it into some kind of 'look there's transphobic hate', but I hope I'm wrong.

All those labels, that people put on themselves trying to make them stand out, but all you achieve is another box with yet another label. I don't fit in a box, let alone one with a label, so please, stop putting me in one, because you yourself stepped willingly in one.

So much this.

[Shibi]

Apologies to the moderators that have to come back to work after their weekend off to this.

I don't think their work is finished yet. There will be a few more forum-holidays coming in the mail.
I got one a few years back, the moderators send a rather large Moogle with a large baseball bat to knock the living snuff out of you.

I won't say 'please look forward to it' but I would ask you to consider if it's wise to step back a little and take a breath to minimise your own incoming risk. Advice from a real real old gay guy anyway. Now is the time to turn the other cheek and stop responding milky. Log out, clear your browser cookies, ask your girlfriend to tug your tail if you feel compelled to post. You aren't doing yourself favours. You are being a super-bad ally too.

[Asari5]

i just dont get why we have to define the way we feel as male or female. i feel how i feel, thats neither male nor female.

[Burmecia]

i used to be mystified by prefix cis, but as my defense chemistry was never my strongest subject though otherwise i liked it a lot.

i avoid using cis in my writing and speaking.

the quote from above, i think, was from whoever invented usage of cis when talking about gender.
i find their rationale very awkward. redefining words is there too which i am always careful about, muddles conversation too much to my tastes. nothing against the author themselves, all that seems to come from more well than not meaning stand-point.

trans in transgender and transsexual (not listing the latter one to be duck; i know some people prefer it while other think it's slur, but i care the latter group here for fairness) comes most likely from the process of transition itself.
nothing to do with chemistry. so using chemistry terms is unnecessary.

i find "just woman/man" crowd's rationale more robust, too. that's the starting point for transgender/transsexual person after all, when it comes to tangible dimension of their own person; unless they are intersexed and even then gross majority has adjusted to one or the other social role. transitioning (social or medical) makes them transperson. in ye olden days there was objective to reach certain degree of passing, by which society granted transperson chance to change their passports and names and such, to match their new tangible reality in the yes of their fellow people, because it was sensible that way for both parties.

my birth year starts with 1 so i guess that's proof enough of how ancient i am. but im not too concerned about that.

as for miss bryer, i don't hate her, not because she is trans nor because she voiced wuk lamat. i think she pushed herself to job where her skills were lacking, so the outcome was subpar. i think she is making herself to look like an idiot by behaving as she does on social media.

as is the nature of the videogames, people critique them, professionals and laymen alike. unfortunately glaring things stand out, and miss bryer's lackluster performance is nothing short of glaring.

Despite how much you want it to be, disagreement isn't hate.

I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I don't care about people being trans.

most people don't care about trans people being trans. it's their private matter, so it's not even polite to be overly interested in other peoples' private businesses. But most people remember their bullies, and the mean things said by bullies.
it's pretty bad advice to leave kids deal with bullies with "ignore and and walk away", that leads to broken and traumatised kid at worst. but for adults, i would argue it's pretty workable advice.

[Volgia]

I was wondering why the dogs were barking and it's just all in this thread.