With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[Donoman]

My hope is that they'll save me the time and energy of blacklisting me for calling them transphobes. They'd be doing me a favor lol

I only wish that blacklisting here would also do it in-game because I don't ever want to have to encounter any of them.* I applaud you for trying to have any type of discussion with them though, even though it'll probably continue to go nowhere. I think the worst of it is seeing them victimize themselves for being called transphobes/transphobic. After all of the physical and mental struggles that trans people have to deal with in their lives, these guys still find a way to make it about themselves, and that's just crazy to me. Instead of trying to understand why they're getting called out for being hateful, they get angry and say things like "respect is earned", "you don't have to agree with my opinion", or they say that the world is full of sensitive people etc. I just don't understand how people this miserable navigate through life or even have friends, especially on this game.

Anyway, I hope you're not letting any of it get to you. Dealing with hate speech like this is just exhausting.

[Lorika]

But honestly at this point it also just makes me sad; it's a sad indictment of how far we as a species have fallen.

Yeah it's sad.
I was a teen/young adult at the end of the 90's

At that time we were a group friends with a lot of diversity.
For the guy :
- Me with a peculiar name for my country related to a certain part of it with a certain "reputation" (more likely a more or less false stereotype : we are some sort of stuborn grumpy drunkard.)
- One a typical name for my country
- An hyspanic (his parent imigratedfrom Spain before his birth. his was Bisexual)
- a west Indians? (Antillais)
- A metiss (his mother was from Cameroun)
- An Algerian (origin, he was born in my country. he was Muslin)
For the girl :
- a couple of Lesbian
- an Indian
- A tomboy (but damn she had such beautiful face)
- A goth.

We didn't care about skin colors, sexual preference or religion.
We were going into club, rave party.
We did some Gay Pride where eveyrone was welcomed with open arms. Thoses event was filled with fun, warm, kindness. Nobody carred about other sexuall preference... we were just here to celebrate freedom.
We also did march against discrimination.

And we did everything filled with hope for a better tomorow. So that we can all live peacefully as a one big community

25 years laters.... All is see is hate, cummunitarism, minory, identity, insult, rage, aggressivity.... And i wonder : What did we miss, or didn't do for the situation gone so wrong? When it started to turn sour?

And it make me sad, frustrated and angry... It shoudln't be like that, it isn't what we wanted and whished for.... maybe, after all, it was just a big utopia enhanced by the naivety of the youth.
I don't know.... *sigh*

[BigBoom550]

-snip-

Maybe someday we'll get back to that. I'm tired of this too.

We want diversity, but nobody wants to accept disagreement. We want uniqueness, but only within the lines. We want to be equal, but some people want to be more equal than others. It's exhausting.

There's people in this thread who I disagree with, but who've presented their positions politely and calmly, without calling people names. I wish them well, because even if I don't agree with them, we can find common ground in civility.

Then there's the other people. I will refrain from directly commenting on them.

Just hang in there. Sanity'll come back soon enough.

[Dorito_Burrito]

Maybe if Grummz makes enough noise they'll put his famous space bus in the online store as a mount.

[Tsumdere]

Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.

Okay, so you are being so disingenuous. You understood what I meant the first time and are just being pedantic. We do have unique struggles (as you have just said yourself) and I never said all of our struggles are completely separate because that is asinine. And that is a very broad and reductive definition of misogyny used to erase the uniqueness of each group. There are many facets of it that each group simply cannot experience in any way, shape, or form unless God comes down, reverses time, and has them born as the opposite sex.

Moreover, empathizing is not the same as experiencing so nothing you have said changes what I said. Good job.

[lolnotacat]

This is actually a myth. Here is a video where a guy explores the study you're citing in depth, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.



I'm not trying to argue with you or say you're a bigot or whatever is making you get so hostile in response. I am only telling you about my own personal experience with what you are talking about.

Oh cool he's wrong too.

The same statistics show that 66% of those lesbians did only ever experience violence at the hands of other women. At best and worst we're both wrong and the statistics suck (which I would agree with).

[FlowerMilk]

Oh cool he's wrong too.

The same statistics show that 66% of those lesbians did only ever experience violence at the hands of other women. At best and worst we're both wrong and the statistics suck (which I would agree with).

That's because you're missing this part:

The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. The other third reported at least one perpetrator being male, however the study made no distinction between victims who experienced violence from male perpetrators only and those who reported both male and female perpetrators. Similarly, 61.1% of bisexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study with 89.5% reporting at least one perpetrator being male. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported having been victim of intimate partner violence, with 98.7% of them reporting male perpetrators exclusively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domest..._relationships

Judging by the quality of their other arguments, I'm not sure they understand what 'per capita' means.

An important thing to note is the distinction "reported".

In spite of the shocking prevalence of domestic violence (around 1 in 4 women will experience violence at the hands of a partner), according to the Crime Report, nearly half (44%) of domestic violence cases go unreported.

[lolnotacat]

That's because you're missing this part:
The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. The other third reported at least one perpetrator being male, however the study made no distinction between victims who experienced violence from male perpetrators only and those who reported both male and female perpetrators.

I didn't miss that. The statistics suck and I agreed from a cursory look at the stats provided that I was wrong about Lesbians having the highest rate, but multiple instances of DV can happen from multiple perpetrators and there's not enough data. Unless you're going to infer it from other groups which is disingenuous.

[Aword3213]

This is actually a myth. Here is a video where a guy explores the study you're citing in depth, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.
.

Literally the top comment in your link pointed out how wrong the statistics were.

Combined with your demeanor in previous posts, I think you’ve delved to deep in the ideology of yours.

[FlowerMilk]

Literally the top comment in your link pointed out how wrong the statistics were.

Combined with your demeanor in previous posts, I think you’ve delved to deep in the ideology of yours.

But there is a reply to that post right here:

In a relationship in which violence is introduced or present, women are slightly more likely to be the ones committing non-reciprocal violence, or the ones starting the reciprocal violence. However, the vast majority of women who commit violence to a partner report doing so out of self-defense (including when she is the first person to be violent, because he may have been using non-violent or non-violent-to-her intimidation to cause her to feel threatened), and the vast majority of men who commit violence to a partner report doing so out of a need for "control". Men are also more likely to commit serious damage during domestic violence, as well as sexual abuse, coercion, and stalking.

Thus, many domestically violent women—especially those who are involved with the criminal justice system—are not the sole perpetrators of violence. The victimization they have experienced from their male partners is an important contextual factor in understanding their motivations for violence. Some women who have been adjudicated for a domestic violence offense are, in fact, battered women who fought back (Kernsmith, 2005; Miller, 2005). They may well be at the same level of risk of serious injury or death as battered women who are seeking shelter.