With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[Rueby]

I don't get why people struggle so much with this concept. I'm not even defending Sena. I don't like her. But she doesn't want to BE like you. She IS like you, she is like me. She is every bit as much of a woman, regardless of the circumstances of her birth. Just because she isn't a good person doesn't make it okay to deny a person's humanity like that.

No honey, she's a transwoman and you're a ciswoman. Get it right. That's her definition of us, we're not equal in her eyes.
The person you responded to, who was responding to me, didn't deny her any 'humanity' but pointed out her behavior, which should be called out and criticized. There's no need to sympathy bait for this.

[SableHahma]

No honey, she's a transwoman and you're a ciswoman. Get it right. That's her definition of us, we're not equal in her eyes.
The person you responded to, who was responding to me, didn't deny her any 'humanity' but pointed out her behavior, which should be called out and criticized. There's no need to sympathy bait for this.

I too am a transwoman. I have absolutely no issue with anyone complaining about her work as Wuk Lamat, or her poor behavior. I think her calling out that woman for not being trans and saying she should be fired over it is absolutely detestable. I have no interest in defending her. I have no interest in Sena Bryer at all actually. The only point I'm trying to make is that regardless of her behavior or the things she said it doesn't make it okay for people to call her a he, which several people in this thread have done, or to say things like trans women are trying to be like women. We are just women. I have no sympathy for her, but just because she said some bad things doesn't mean we should stoop to her level.

[Rueby]

I too am a transwoman. I have absolutely no issue with anyone complaining about her work as Wuk Lamat, or her poor behavior. I think her calling out that woman for not being trans and saying she should be fired over it is absolutely detestable. I have no interest in defending her. I have no interest in Sena Bryer at all actually. The only point I'm trying to make is that regardless of her behavior or the things she said it doesn't make it okay for people to call her a he, which several people in this thread have done, or to say things like trans women are trying to be like women. We are just women. I have no sympathy for her, but just because she said some bad things doesn't mean we should stoop to her level.

Then I apologize for my heated response. However, the person you quoted who responded to me didn't call her 'he' as far as I know, neither did I. I think you make a reasonable request, however I do doubt you'd find the desired result. I personally don't agree simply because people use it as ammunition to point the metaphorical gun to everyone's head and use the big scary T-word. I have nothing against trans people at all, I've met a few chill ones and I've met a few unhinged ones that sent me to therapy from all the gaslighting. You'll find awful human beings and that fact knows no race, gender or sexuality.

I think people are frustrated/angry that alot of criticism gets deflected, and plenty of bad actors hide behind being LGBTQ to dodge criticism, I've had it happen to me despite being bi I got called a homophobe for hating a gay character (because he was useless) and it got turned into 'nah you hate him because he got it on with a djinn. I think plenty of people came here just to defend Sena, shut down any discussion, go ahead and call everyone weird or transphobe.

I know you probably don't care, but for anyone wondering what the origin of cis/trans is and why it's used for gender identity, here you go:

Thank you for that, that's informative, I'm always open and happy to learn something new. When I read Sena's posts I don't get the feeling of neutrality however, I get a sense of envy and entitlement, and I'm not putting words in her mouth, she broadcasted these feelings herself. She's not even sugarcoating her words, she's spiteful towards 'cis' people because they get jobs and she doesn't and it's not taken out of context either. If there's discrimination, I can understand but it could also be that she's not what they want/need for the job.

I'm sure you'll find a way to take this and twist it into some kind of 'look there's transphobic hate', but I hope I'm wrong.

All those labels, that people put on themselves trying to make them stand out, but all you achieve is another box with yet another label. I don't fit in a box, let alone one with a label, so please, stop putting me in one, because you yourself stepped willingly in one.

So much this.

[Bobby66]

I too am a transwoman. I have absolutely no issue with anyone complaining about her work as Wuk Lamat, or her poor behavior. I think her calling out that woman for not being trans and saying she should be fired over it is absolutely detestable. I have no interest in defending her. I have no interest in Sena Bryer at all actually. The only point I'm trying to make is that regardless of her behavior or the things she said it doesn't make it okay for people to call her a he, which several people in this thread have done, or to say things like trans women are trying to be like women. We are just women. I have no sympathy for her, but just because she said some bad things doesn't mean we should stoop to her level.

Objectively no you are not just a woman you said it yourself you are a "trans" woman. Their is a difference. Biologically speaking you are still a man no matter how you try to dress or present yourself at the core you are a man.

A Biological woman does not need to add some prefix to who they are to denote what type of woman they are.

I say this as someone that is trans. I know I am not a woman no matter how comfortable I feel the reality is I was born a man and always will be a man biologically and to most people publicly.

[lolnotacat]

No honey, she's a transwoman and you're a ciswoman. Get it right. That's her definition of us, we're not equal in her eyes.
The person you responded to, who was responding to me, didn't deny her any 'humanity' but pointed out her behavior, which should be called out and criticized. There's no need to sympathy bait for this.

They're the same when it suits their argument and different when it doesn't. Schrodinger's gender.

[Midare]

Eesh I thought it was all dogwhistles but this is just straight up TERF bs.

No one likes a humorless person.

And before you think about going on a "but achktually... punching down..." and all that jazz.

I'm from south america.

Feel free to joke about how countries in the area can't maintain governments or make fun of our accents.

It can't be worse than the bad impression Poochie's VA pulled of that anyway.

[Tsumdere]

I don't get why people struggle so much with this concept. I'm not even defending Sena. I don't like her. But she doesn't want to BE like you. She IS like you, she is like me. She is every bit as much of a woman, regardless of the circumstances of her birth. Just because she isn't a good person doesn't make it okay to deny a person's humanity like that.

Where did I say I'm denying her humanity? That's a whole new sentence and incredibly gross of you to say. Also embarrassing especially since you're barking up the wrong tree with me. You can look at my post history and easily see that I believe in rejecting gender norms. I've even been dogpiled on this very forum back in ShB for getting mad at people for misgendering/sexism/creep behavior. I'm a 'woke leftie' through and through. Don't assume everyone here is out to attack transwomen because they don't parrot the 'best' opinion word for word.

Transwomen and ciswomen have incredibly unique struggles that the other doesn't experience as a whole. I cannot imagine what it's like having to go through lengthy procedures and medication just to feel like myself. Transwomen cannot imagine how it feels spending nearly your entire life (history, really) being reduced to nothing but your ability to bear children and please men... etc etc. Many examples that I will withhold for brevity's sake.
Trans people should have rights and not live in fear of hate crimes/misgendering/lack of healthcare, but at the same time they should not insist we're the same because we are biological and socially not. And being different is okay. We're all deserving of our rights and respect regardless of our differences. I don't see how that is hard to understand.

Besides, Sena doesn't even believe we are the same because, according to her, she's more deserving of roles than ciswomen because she's different. That sucks of her to say and it sucks that someone like that is the VA of the leading character of DT.

It's genuinely just because they hate trans people. If it was just what they say, that they dislike her work as a VA in Dawntrail or think she's a bad person, then they would just say that (and for the record I also dislike her work and don't like her as a person, either). But they like to say wildly transphobic stuff like this and then excuse it away with "whoa how dare you I was just criticizing her job in Dawntrail and I think she's an awful person".

I suggest just reporting them for transphobia and putting them on ignore. People in this thread have already been banned for it.

You can report me for transphobia and believe I hate transpeople even though I said nothing of the kind. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Just know that you're not doing yourself any favors by reporting people who are literally on your side about not misgendering Sena lol. Get a grip.

[FlowerMilk]

Transwomen and ciswomen have incredibly unique struggles that the other doesn't experience as a whole. I cannot imagine what it's like having to go through lengthy procedures and medication just to feel like myself. Transwomen cannot imagine how it feels spending nearly your entire life (history, really) being reduced to nothing but your ability to bear children and please men... etc etc. Many examples that I will withhold for brevity's sake.

I'm a cis woman and my girlfriend is a trans woman. I can tell you from my own personal experience that men treat us with the exact same amount of misogyny and don't care that I am a cis woman and she is a trans woman, they don't make that distinction when it comes to misogyny. Our struggles with discrimination are really not as different as you'd think.

I only wish that blacklisting here would also do it in-game because I don't ever want to have to encounter any of them.* I applaud you for trying to have any type of discussion with them though, even though it'll probably continue to go nowhere. I think the worst of it is seeing them victimize themselves for being called transphobes/transphobic. After all of the physical and mental struggles that trans people have to deal with in their lives, these guys still find a way to make it about themselves, and that's just crazy to me. Instead of trying to understand why they're getting called out for being hateful, they get angry and say things like "respect is earned", "you don't have to agree with my opinion", or they say that the world is full of sensitive people etc. I just don't understand how people this miserable navigate through life or even have friends, especially on this game.

Anyway, I hope you're not letting any of it get to you. Dealing with hate speech like this is just exhausting.

I'm genuinely just posting here to fill time while I wait in queue, and just dropping info and dispelling misinfo wherever I can lol. But thanks <3 It doesn't bother me, I am used to it.

[Tsumdere]

You know that you don't have to undergo the procedure to be trans these days, right?
In terms of Gender Dysphoria, since I used to have it, it went away around the 20's and I ended up gay. In terms of surgery and what not, they don't tell you that your body closes up itself and you have to keep something somewhere to keep that part open. Our bodies don't remold like clay, so any procedure to open or change a part will close up on itself. Medication is used to stabilize the body; everyone does not have the opportunity to have such a healthcare so many Trans people do not get the care they need and then their body starts to reject itself and more health complication happens. In terms of healthcare, that's its own conundrum that I can't talk about, but the populace will not be happy to pay for someone's transition when they are already not happy about SSI payments and the like.

I'm familiar with all of this. I was just using a singular example to elaborate on my point.
A friend of mine saved up for her surgery and it has been a long and painful journey that I have heard much about. She is happy though.

I'm a cis woman and my girlfriend is a trans woman. I can tell you from my own personal experience that men treat us with the exact same amount of misogyny and don't care that I am a cis woman and she is a trans woman, they don't make that distinction when it comes to misogyny. Our struggles with discrimination are really not as different as you'd think.

I'm unsure where this came from. I can only assume people are trying to intentionally paint me in a bad light and whip out things I never said. I never said transwomen don't experience misogyny.
Besides, misogyny comes in many forms and can even negatively affect cismen if they don't neatly fall into boxes people want to put them in (i.e. bullying for being effeminate if you are a man vs bullying for not being effeminate if you are a woman). It affects everyone. It is similar to how racism affects each group differently... because they are different. You should know this.

[Magikazam]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latine




https://www.teenvogue.com/story/latine-vs-latinx-what-young-people-think

Funny that you left out the part that said ''Not everyone has been so quick to adopt the term — it’s received substantial backlash from people of Latin descent in the U.S. In a 2020 survey, the Pew Research Center found that “Latinx” is used by just 3% of Latin Americans in the U.S. Some feel it contorts the Spanish language, while others don’t believe in adopting a term that’s fairly difficult to pronounce in Spanish. ''