With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[Isala]

You know people can just open up the link and see people calling her a man with their own eyes? Why even bother pretending like people can't see it for themselves?

Yes, yes. People calling the VA "Woke Lamat", or "Wuk LaMan" or whatever, still doesn't change the fact that Sena is a terrible person too.

[FlowerMilk]

Yes, yes. People calling the VA "Woke Lamat", or "Wuk LaMan" or whatever, still doesn't change the fact that Sena is a terrible person too.

You can dislike her as a person without being transphobic.

[Lizvette]

i admire your tenacity for trying to argue with this person, even though you're wasting your time, they clearly want to just paint you guys in a certain light and not actually say anything meaningful.

[Karious]

My thread wasn't closed for transphobia lmao. FlowerMilk is Sena's greatest warrior I guess. Don't even bother arguing with her.

[Aword3213]

You know people can just open up the link and see people calling her a man with their own eyes? Why even bother pretending like people can't see it for themselves?

Are they wrong?

I have no problem seeing Sena as a woman, but that doesn’t mean everyone has to.

The concept of transgenderism is still new to our world. People with various backgrounds from different cultures are going to have questions. Whether transgender man is a man or transgender woman is a woman is still on debate. Just look at Olympics which is currently underway. People all over the world are still arguing about it.

There is still no worldwide consensus about this topic, so don’t act like it’s a hard cold fact that has been set in stone for decades. It’s not.

I think people that called Sena a man doesn’t necessarily mean they harbor hate towards transgenderism. They simply believe it’s the right thing to say. The context implying them hateful just isn’t there.

In order to make it about transphobia, you have to lay a foundation where people can agree that transgender woman is a woman as an objective facts. Only with this foundation can you convince people they’re hateful and discriminatory by using the “wrong” word intentionally. None of you did that. Of course people don’t think they’re being transphobic.

[Smallbunny]

Are they wrong?

Yes

It's not that hard.

[WaifuLoli]

Are they wrong?

I have no problem seeing Sena as a woman, but that doesn’t mean everyone has to.

The concept of transgenderism is still new to our world.

I think the issue is that in order for transgenderism to "work," it requires having everyone adhere to the system set by those people.

If one person defies the system, then the people who set it, get really defensive. The reason for that is due to how it's currently structured and where it's coming from.

The biggest issue with the structure of their system is that simply questioning any aspect of it, gives them grounds to immediately dismiss everything you say henceforth under the grounds of being a "transphobe" or something else, simply because you questioned it. Usually, if something is strong or comes from a good foundation of existence, you wouldn't need to get defensive at the mere questioning of it, since you would've had confidence in who you are to begin with. You wouldn't need to argue with people about who you were, if you believe in yourself. You may not harbor any hate whatsoever to them, but they will convince you that you are hateful, regardless of the situation or any deeper context around it.

Where it comes from, is the people centered around them convincing them something is true. There's a phenomenon called the "illusory truth effect" where repeated exposure to any false information can cause someone to believe that information to be more true then actual true information. If you for example are repeatedly told left handed people are full of sin. You might end up believing that, because you will compare it to something you already know to be true, then because something is more familiar due to repetition, that familiarity can overpower the truth. Causing someone to believe something just from repeated exposure to it. Familiarity overpowers rationality.

All this tells me is that the social aspects of transgenderism don't really have a sturdy foundation to them, because when you question anything, that social illusion is broken, causing defensive behavior. You have to play House essentially or else face ostracization, if you happen to be speaking in an area that houses alot of people who play it willingly.

More on topic with the game, I want to see the next Live Letter and see how the team responds to the feedback of the MSQ. They may just flat out ignore anything to do with Wuk to keep discussion down. But it will be interesting to see if any of them respond to the MSQ at all

[undull1]

*Some sort of pseudointellectual rambling*

We already have a system, it's called social etiquette.
If I meet someone and introduce myself as "Bob" and then the person decides to call me "Ugly stupidface" instead, I will feel insulted, it's not hard to understand.

Like this really genuinely irks me when people just misgender trans people and act like their doing nothing wrong. Your not a child, you understand the context of what your saying and why it can and will be construed as an insult so why play this tired charade instead of just admitting your transphobic?

[phandaal]

We already have a system, it's called social etiquette.
If I meet someone and introduce myself as "Bob" and then the person decides to call me "Ugly stupidface" instead, I will feel insulted, it's not hard to understand.

Like this really genuinely irks me when people just misgender trans people and act like their doing nothing wrong. Your not a child, you understand the context of what your saying and why it can and will be construed as an insult so why play this tired charade instead of just admitting your transphobic?

Bottom line is the American voice actor for Wuk Lamat is not qualified for this role because they are a middle-aged white North American man, doing an impression of a woman, attempting to do a voice for a young latina South American woman, and by their own admission their physical male attributes make it hard for them to do the kinds of sounds necessary for this role.

Regardless of what he chooses to call himself, his vocal cords did not get the message that they should go along.

[Aword3213]

We already have a system, it's called social etiquette.
If I meet someone and introduce myself as "Bob" and then the person decides to call me "Ugly stupidface" instead, I will feel insulted, it's not hard to understand.

Like this really genuinely irks me when people just misgender trans people and act like their doing nothing wrong. Your not a child, you understand the context of what your saying and why it can and will be construed as an insult so why play this tired charade instead of just admitting your transphobic?

Since when pronouns equate to adhominen attacks in your example?

I also struggle to find pronouns offensive. When people are using pronouns to refer to you, doesn't that usually indicate you're not present in the scene of conversation? Who is offended? What is "misgender" anyway? Are pronouns meant to refer to one's biological sex, or gender identity? Which one and why? Do people have consensus about such topics? If transgender woman is a woman, does that mean a woman is also a transgender women? because that's how equation works