Removing mana for most jobs is ridiculous

[Tunda]

It is just a dumb idea that most jobs do not any kind of resource management

WAR MNK SAM RPR VPR and other jobs too

Even I would add PLD as there is nothing to manage

Mana/Rage management should be mandatory to all jobs managing it is a part of skill that jobs could have

Having too many bars and too many job guages is just going to fill my screen with stickers and that isn't interesting

Resource management shouldn't be only DRK/BLM duty in this game

[Collin_Sky]

Job gauges ARE resource management.

[Connor]

Honestly I do completely agree, it really sucks to me that Bard went 3 expansions with MP Management being such an integral part of the job, just for SE to turn around in Shadowbringers and say ‘ oh you’re not a caster, you must be too dumb to manage an MP bar ’.

Then Endwalker comes and suddenly it’s ‘ Oh you’re a caster, you must be too dumb to manage an MP bar ’

They may as well just delete MP as a mechanic now with how completely pointless it is as a mechanic.

It barely even limits Raise anymore because every healer has such easy to access to instant MP restoration (Thin Air/Assize, Aetherflow, Draw, any Addersgall ability) has

Job gauges ARE resource management.

Strongly disagree with this tbh. Most job gauges you literally just hit at 100 and that’s it; there isn’t any actual ‘management’ involved unless maybe you’re a Dancer trying to deal with Tilana overcapping Espirit lol

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Job gauges ARE resource management.

"Don't overcap before burst or you won't be optimal" barely constitutes resource management.

I think what people want back are the team management of shared resources. Otherwise it's just a really bad single player game and I guess other people are there too.

[Shikiseki]

It's a shame but I don't think the system works in this game all that well if you think about it: In other games, MP is used for special powerful techniques outside the standard attacks and spells in general but those very powerful attacks are classified as "abilities" making them limited by cooldowns instead of resources which is quite a shame really. On the other hand, that would mean you'd end up spamming your strongest skill every time unless you need another skill for a particular niche situation - a lose-lose situation really...

I wouldn't mind every skill having a fairly low cooldown but with a MP cost attached to carefully choose which special ability you want to use when - but that means that abilities should be more than "deal 300 potency lul"

[CaptainLagbeard]

TP used to be a thing used by Jobs that didn't actually use any MP... But most jobs were largely TP neutral in their rotation so it just ended up being a limit to your ability to AoE.

[MisterNublet]

They could do with adding more ways to make MP useful on more jobs. Sadly, I don't think the current job design team is up to the task due to lack of manpower and/or severe lack of creativity.

[Kaurhz]

Uh, honestly... The job gauges are part of the resource management... Whether this could be embedded within MP in some way is another question.

As someone else said, we previously had TP management for the physical classes, and in many cases the rate of TP generation would always exceed the cost of TP for attacking, minus when you went into AoE situations, then you would find yourself spending more than you would regen.

It was a bad mechanic then, and it would be a bad mechanic now.

Edit: Team resource management would be a nice additive, e.g., enmity management, but then the question comes how exactly would you implement something like that without it being a copy and paste of the stance dancing tanks used to do back when using stance was a deficit to damage.

[Tunda]

TP is bad designed resource that doesn't mean MP/Rage shouldn't be part of the design

OGCD for example could take MP resources

Healers could serve not only as HP potion but MP potion as well

[Tunda]

Uh, honestly... The job gauges are part of the resource management... Whether this could be embedded within MP in some way is another question.

As someone else said, we previously had TP management for the physical classes, and in many cases the rate of TP generation would always exceed the cost of TP for attacking, minus when you went into AoE situations, then you would find yourself spending more than you would regen.

It was a bad mechanic then, and it would be a bad mechanic now.

BLM for example have to manage 3 resources now

Why othey jobs have to manage 2 or 1 or even 0?

I don't get it