It's time to put XIV to rest....

[1313]

Developing a new Final Fantasy MMO could be the answer. The existing game engine has maxed out its capabilities, failing to implement the desired fixes, which leads to player dissatisfaction due to unfulfilled expectations. A fresh game might resolve these issues and potentially cater to the overlooked demographics instead of the current primary audience. Acknowledging the massive effort required to develop a new game, as a consumer willing to invest, I am concerned about getting value for my money. Like many, I am ready to spend, but only if the product is genuinely worthwhile. The current game won't sustain another decade; it has been pushing its limits for years. The developers have skillfully repackaged the same mechanics in various guises, making old mechanics seem novel. However, they are not new, and the facade is apparent.

What are your thoughts? Would a new FF MMO that delivers what we've been requesting be a wise move? I would certainly be excited to experience a new, updated FF MMO.

[Tunda]

What is holding the game is subscription based model

SE is taking that money to start NFT project that no one will buy or care

The success of FFXIV was a miracle
I don't think Square Enix can do any intresting game anymore it is not 2010

To me I am waiting for respectable companies like Capcome and Riot games to do something to the genre

[TBerry]

What is holding the game is subscription based model

SE is taking that money to start NFT project that no one will buy or care

The success of FFXIV was a miracle
I don't think Square Enix can do any intresting game anymore it is not 2010

To me I am waiting for respectable companies like Capcome and Riot games to do something to the genre

... what, the CEO of SE wanted this, and was sacked.

[Rueby]

What is holding the game is subscription based model

The subscription based model is fine. The only thing I'd complain about is the fact that retainers is also an extra subscription which is quite vile.

GW2 for example is not subscription based, but will inconvenience you alot in terms of inventory space and QoL and storage. If you wanted these QoL you have to either grind (and they've been nerfing alot of the farm areas, rest in peace Istan farm, under the pretense that they know better and don't want you to be spending all your time there), so, you either grind for hours to get an upgrade or you open that wallet up.

If it's not subscription it'll be cash shop heavy and at times that cash shop won't be just 'uwu cosmetics and qol'.

This game won't shut down since it's in their best interest to keep it running so they milk it to fund other products. I don't believe much gets poured back into this game. They've been playing it 'safe' for years, taking the same MSQ formula, copy pasting it for every expansion. I don't believe they'd take risk with another MMO when this one hasn't died yet.

I do believe they might be choking their golden goose. I find the state of this graphical update unacceptable, especially with the lack of care given to the player characters' expressions and the bugs in the enviornment.

[Tunda]

The subscription based model is fine. The only thing I'd complain about is the fact that retainers is also an extra subscription which is quite vile.

GW2 for example is not subscription based, but will inconvenience you alot in terms of inventory space and QoL and storage. If you wanted these QoL you have to either grind (and they've been nerfing alot of the farm areas, rest in peace Istan farm, under the pretense that they know better and don't want you to be spending all your time there), so, you either grind for hours to get an upgrade or you open that wallet up.

If it's not subscription it'll be cash shop heavy and at times that cash shop won't be just 'uwu cosmetics and qol'.

This game won't shut down since it's in their best interest to keep it running so they milk it to fund other products. I don't believe much gets poured back into this game. They've been playing it 'safe' for years, taking the same MSQ formula, copy pasting it for every expansion. I don't believe they'd take risk with another MMO when this one hasn't died yet.

I do believe they might be choking their golden goose. I find the state of this graphical update unacceptable, especially with the lack of care given to the player characters' expressions and the bugs in the enviornment.

GW2 system is the perfect kind of system that fits all worlds

FFXIV doesn't deserve 12$ a month it's contant is lacking engagement and systems are redundant with as little innovation.

Half of Dawntrail story for example could be a beast tribe quest

Why as a player have to pay for such a story?

You could say we have gameplay.. but what are the unique changes to gameplay? Jobs are the same combat mechanic the same

FFXIV should be f2p with QoL subscription

[koko-on-da-forumz]

FFXIV doesn't deserve 12$ a month it's contant is lacking engagement and systems are redundant with as little innovation.

Why as a player have to pay for such a story?

The fact that we have to pay a monthly fee and an expansion fee just to watch a new movie every few years, while all core systems remain unchanged is unhinged. I don't know how people defend XIV's monetization model. AND there's a cash shop! And a SUBSCRIPTION to more storage--we literally already have a worse version of GW2's bag slot.

[Striker44]

The fact that we have to pay a monthly fee and an expansion fee just to watch a new movie every few years, while all core systems remain unchanged is unhinged. I don't know how people defend XIV's monetization model. AND there's a cash shop! And a SUBSCRIPTION to more storage--we literally already have a worse version of GW2's bag slot.

All of that actually makes perfect sense to me. The monthly fee is what keeps the servers running, community managers to sort out complaints, etc.. Paying for the expansion itself pays for all of the people you see in the credits who actually made the new content for the expansion (and not just the .0 MSQ, but the new raid series, patch content, etc.). Separating the two payments also attracts the audience who aren't really interested in a long-term commitment, but are willing to buy the expansion and pay a single 1-month sub to play through what they're treating as a stand-alone game. If you do all the .0 content (including watching all the cutscenes, doing all the side quests, etc....basically everything available at launch), it usually runs an easy 50-60 hours of playtime. Dropping ~$55 for the expansion + one-month sub feels fair to me for a stand-alone game of that length.

Also the cash shop in FFXIV is cosmetic. I couldn't care less what gets thrown into a cosmetic cash shop. The extra cost for the retainer is the only thing I object to.

I don't mind subscription if at least 60% of the money is going to the game

But the current state isn't even close to 10%

It's true a fair amount of FFXIV income gets diverted to other games, but ridiculous hyperbole just kills credibility and makes one come off sounding immature.

Maybe because the Negativity Bias of the Forum....and the repeating threads about more or less the same topics.
Im not sure.

This. Echo chambers can have a real psychological effect on people. Someone will see a thread on here saying Living Memory was horrible and getting 50 or so upvotes and think "see, this is what everyone says" while ignoring the YT video where people saying Living Memory was a positive experience and meaningful to them will get close to a 1000 upvotes. But if you limit your experience only to places where everyone agrees with you, you risk completely missing the real picture.

I can't take brand new accounts serious for statign this, unless they somehow got removed by doign malicious content themself on some other account or the likes.

Sorry no credits for a person from 2024, that has barely touched the game at all.

Just a heads up that the "Join Date" on the forums is not necessarily when the person started playing, but when they actually made an official forum account. For example, my Join Date shows as sometime in 2022 I believe, but I've been playing on this account since 2015.

[Zaniel]

FFXIV should be f2p with QoL subscription

And yet, the two biggest MMOs and longest running both run on subscription models while all those F2P models either struggle to survive or have massive whale communities spending vastly more than a subscription on a regular basis. Combine the populations of WoW and FF14 and I'd say 50 million subscribers disagree.

[Tunda]

And yet, the two biggest MMOs and longest running both run on subscription models while all those F2P models either struggle to survive or have massive whale communities spending vastly more than a subscription on a regular basis. Combine the populations of WoW and FF14 and I'd say 50 million subscribers disagree.

I don't mind subscription if at least 60% of the money is going to the game

But the current state isn't even close to 10%

[Lorika]

GW2 system is the perfect kind of system that fits all worlds

In fact, from player point of view, true it does.... But from the point of view of NCSoft : Not it doesn't.
5 years ago NCSoft fired 143 peoples in ANet while promising that it wouldn't affect GW2.

In the end, thoses lay off + Covid delayed patch and the next expansion to a point where ANet delivered half-baked and low quality content for a while, and they decided to change their historical model, which was very close to FFXIV : One big extansion every 2 years with story patch in between (Living World)
Npw they will release expansion more often, but thoses expansion will contain half (maybe less) content as the previous one.... Meaning : you'll have to buy an expansion more often.