Is it time for enrage timers in normal content?

[LilyPendragon]

I get wanting to prevent some tanks from holding the rest of the party hostage because they're selfish jerks, so a system that clocks them out whether they like it or not to remind them it's a team fight sounds nice.

But... this is kinda running counter to that whole "we're not asking to make game harder to push out casuals" argument we were having a few days ago by trying to turn normal content into "hardcore lite" by implementing mechanics from Extreme/Savage/Ultimate/etc.

Having an enrage doesn't inherently make the fight harder. It just stops tanks being able to solo it. If for example you have a fight that generally takes 5 minutes, would a 15 or 20 minute enrage really matter? It would literally just stop tanks soloing bosses while the party is held hostsgd

[CaptainLagbeard]

An Enrage Timer would make it so that everyone has to at least be able to perform at least at a very basic level...

It shouldn't definitely be anything too demanding of a time limit, but you shouldn't be able to beat bosses by just outlasting them and so the DPS players would have to learn how to play their role... Which includes such high IQ concepts as dodging AoEs and hitting the boss...

[TBerry]

I'll be blunt:
It won't get better after the 4th or 5th wipe, so if the boss is at 25% HP or below you might as well do it yourself.

[Turtledeluxe]

I'll be blunt:
It won't get better after the 4th or 5th wipe, so if the boss is at 25% HP or below you might as well do it yourself.

Is there a reason these threads are exclusively about tanks? You're all just the fight experts, huh? Give me a break.

[Bonoki]

Adding enrages to normal mode sounds good in theory, but it probably wouldn’t work out well in practice. Normal mode is meant for casual players who are still gearing up and those who just want to see the story, so many people queuing for it are undergeared, lacking pentamelds, or working on tomes. If you add enrages to normal mode, it shifts the challenge from testing player endurance to testing gear, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a more accessible, casual difficulty.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Adding enrages to normal mode sounds good in theory, but it probably wouldn’t work out well in practice. Normal mode is meant for casual players who are still gearing up and those who just want to see the story, so many people queuing for it are undergeared, lacking pentamelds, or working on tomes. If you add enrages to normal mode, it shifts the challenge from testing player endurance to testing gear, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a more accessible, casual difficulty.

We literally used to have enrages in normal content. You almost never saw them.

I think it was ShB who killed them outright, like it did so many other things.

[Bonoki]

We literally used to have enrages in normal content. You almost never saw them.

That's kind of the point though, they were so late into the fight that it was the same as not having them at all. It was extra dev resources allocated to something that wasn't benefitting anyone from it. If you survived so long that you saw enrage, the party likely disbanded the very next pull. Let people clear and be on their way.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

We literally used to have enrages in normal content. You almost never saw them.

I think it was ShB who killed them outright, like it did so many other things.

Speaking as someone who's played since 2.0, Overall time based hard enrages in Normal mode content was barely a thing as is besides the mid-fight add phases which still exist in SHB+ in plentiful amounts. (73, 79, 89, Several 90 trials, 93 all have mid fight enrages)

Off the top of my head I could only think of:

-Amdapor Keep boss 2
-Amdapor Keep HM pack before final boss
-Wanderer's Palace final boss
-Steps of Faith
-Bismark NM
-Technically Shinryu since you'd eventually reach a point where all platforms are broken and chains/Tidal wave/Aerial Blast become unsolvable
-Maybe some of the Alexander raids? Cant remember if any of NMs had a hard enrage or not. (A1 has a hard enrage but its based on boss dying and not time)
-Fractal Continuum HM
-Ruby Weapon NM, ironically, is one of the only NM trials to actually have a time based hard enrage.

Either way, the vast majority of normal mode content even in the old day didn't have hard enrages, the lack of them isn't something new.

[All_Nonsense]

Adding enrages to normal mode sounds good in theory, but it probably wouldn’t work out well in practice.

Alexander, Deathgaze Hollow, Deltascape O1, Proto Ultima, final boss in Fractal Continuum, Haukke Manor (hard), Bismark, and Ruby Weapon would all like to have a word with you (they enrage, did you know that?)

[Supersomething]

We have come full circle to people requesting ARR style content again. This forum really is something else.