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    Player Karious's Avatar
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    "The tank is doing a better job than me because I don't put in effort to play, please punish them. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    "The tank is doing a better job than me because I don't put in effort to play, please punish them. "
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
    As opposed to what though? Normal content isn't hard for anyone.
    Fuck you can just afk as a DPS in an Alliance Raid and no one will even notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    As opposed to what though? Normal content isn't hard for anyone.
    Fuck you can just afk as a DPS in an Alliance Raid and no one will even notice.
    Because a tank requires 7 vuln stacks to take the same amount of damage as another player. However tanks also have almost twice the HP of other players, to take percentage health bar equitable damage a tank has to have 13 vuln stacks (remember it caps at 8 in the modern game). Then on top of that tanks are overflowing with defensives, putting up a single 20% defensive (so rampart, your 2 minutes or your short mitigation) means you need 19 vuln stacks to take HP equitable damage compared to a caster AND tanks can fully heal themselves near twice a minute

    You aren’t talented and you don’t have a right to hold the rest of the party hostage, the game simply doesn’t permit you to die because of your ridiculous defence

    Throw yourself off the map next time you take more than one hit every minute and we will see how much more “talented” tanks are
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Oizen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Because a tank requires 7 vuln stacks to take the same amount of damage as another player. However tanks also have almost twice the HP of other players, to take percentage health bar equitable damage a tank has to have 13 vuln stacks (remember it caps at 8 in the modern game). Then on top of that tanks are overflowing with defensives, putting up a single 20% defensive (so rampart, your 2 minutes or your short mitigation) means you need 19 vuln stacks to take HP equitable damage compared to a caster AND tanks can fully heal themselves near twice a minute
    I don't really see how this is relevant. If your soloing a boss you're probably not taking vuln stacks to begin with.
    As opposed to the people who died, who likely had 2-3 on them. I get you're trying to make this sound like I'm saying this is a skill thing, but I just said "normal content isnt hard for anyone". Anyone includes tanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You aren’t talented and you don’t have a right to hold the rest of the party hostage, the game simply doesn’t permit you to die because of your ridiculous defence
    Throw yourself off the map next time you take more than one hit every minute and we will see how much more “talented” tanks are
    Its nothing about talent to me, I queued for a thing and I'm going to do it. In turn I see no reason why you dictate how other players play the game due to ineptitude at normal mode mechanics.
    I'll give you that Tanks are overkitted for normal content, but so are healers. And DPS aren't even tested in normal content.

    Vuln stacks not mattering to tank is just how the game is to me, I'll avoid attacks that are actually lethal, and stand in the ones that give some form of benefit such as uptime.
    I doubt they're in a rush to make the game actually hard for anyone at this level.
    (5)

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    Player Karious's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
    Everyone is immortal if they do the fight correctly.
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    Lilimo Limomo
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Everyone is immortal if they do the fight correctly.
    The bizarre thing is that people somehow believe this. Or perhaps they're just trolling? It's genuinely hard to tell.

    Regardless, plenty of fights have unavoidable damage. I've done plenty of fights as a Black Mage where I perform all the mechanics correctly and even make optimal use of my single defensive cooldown, but I still die because unavoidable damage eventually does you in when your healer is on the ground.
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    Audrey Nocturne
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    Seraph
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
    Say you've never even looked at Dark Knight without saying you haven't looked at Dark Knight.
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    On May 16th 2024, Creative Studio III made the decision to terminate the existence of non-standard Black Mage. The impact of this decision on the job's population will be negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp_isa_ff View Post
    Say you've never even looked at Dark Knight without saying you haven't looked at Dark Knight.
    If you think DRK doesn’t have incredibly strong survivability when you actually use its skills just tells me you think broken overpowered heals is what count as tank defensives

    It’s not hard to solo a boss on a DRK especially now they have a massive excog on their 2 minutes and they still have the inbuilt advantage of 80% damage down, 1.8* the HP and a boatload of defensives like all tanks
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Nia Niyah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    "The tank is doing a better job than me because I don't put in effort to play, please punish them. "
    Guarantee if we saw you doing the fights you're getting 8 vuln stacks but living because tanks lmao
    When i get the nier raid and not mting i sometimes grab the orbs for fun and get to 16 vulns, and don't die
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