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  1. #11
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    Shinku_Tachi's Avatar
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    Shinku Tachi
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    Seraph
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cach View Post
    I don't think it would work, if you give the average DPS player a fraction of a percent of responsibility, they'll turn into a crying wojack immediately and riot on the streets.

    In my opinion, if your whole group dies, you should get a undispellable 30s Doom debuff.

    And since we are talking about debuffs, some effects should be more common like "blocks 90% of healing from all sources" or fixed gravity damage, among other things.
    That's a GREAT idea.

    I honestly like that better than enrage timers. And saves even more time. Excellent suggestion!
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  2. #12
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    what if instead of weird shit like that they just gave everyone the ability to raise in normal content.

    imagine
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  3. #13
    Player Karious's Avatar
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    Rukoko Ruko
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    "The tank is doing a better job than me because I don't put in effort to play, please punish them. "
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  4. #14
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    "The tank is doing a better job than me because I don't put in effort to play, please punish them. "
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #15
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
    As opposed to what though? Normal content isn't hard for anyone.
    Fuck you can just afk as a DPS in an Alliance Raid and no one will even notice.
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  6. #16
    Player Karious's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Queuing as the blue role for free immortality isn’t an expression of skill honey
    Everyone is immortal if they do the fight correctly.
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  7. #17
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    As opposed to what though? Normal content isn't hard for anyone.
    Fuck you can just afk as a DPS in an Alliance Raid and no one will even notice.
    Because a tank requires 7 vuln stacks to take the same amount of damage as another player. However tanks also have almost twice the HP of other players, to take percentage health bar equitable damage a tank has to have 13 vuln stacks (remember it caps at 8 in the modern game). Then on top of that tanks are overflowing with defensives, putting up a single 20% defensive (so rampart, your 2 minutes or your short mitigation) means you need 19 vuln stacks to take HP equitable damage compared to a caster AND tanks can fully heal themselves near twice a minute

    You aren’t talented and you don’t have a right to hold the rest of the party hostage, the game simply doesn’t permit you to die because of your ridiculous defence

    Throw yourself off the map next time you take more than one hit every minute and we will see how much more “talented” tanks are
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Nia Niyah
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    Dancer Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    Why? If I want to solo a boss as a tank after my entire party wiped due to incompetence, that's my choice.
    Yes cause its very fun to see 2 tanks with their braindead mitigation take out a boss from 60% <,<

    maybe not a enrage OP but there should be a delete tank button every normal boss gets that auto kills the tanks if they're the last ones alive. Problem solved

    I'm a tank main btw, i only ever solo a boss if its almost dead already
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  9. #19
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    Livia Bloodletter
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    Why?

    Certain mechanics in itself works as enrage like stack markers with missing members.
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  10. #20
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    Nia Niyah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    "The tank is doing a better job than me because I don't put in effort to play, please punish them. "
    Guarantee if we saw you doing the fights you're getting 8 vuln stacks but living because tanks lmao
    When i get the nier raid and not mting i sometimes grab the orbs for fun and get to 16 vulns, and don't die
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