Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[LianaThorne]

I know some of ya'll on here against this just want to watch the world burn and bait people since that's the trend of this forum, but ya'll are reaching with your logic harder than usual to a cringe level and you might want to check that.

[Toutatis]

I'm not required to die because the rest of you can't do mechanics correctly. I'll keep tanking if I'm the only one left.

Let’s turn this around: the only reason you are still alive is because you are on a tank, not because you are better than everyone else and it doesn’t mean that the rest can’t do mechanics. It’s very easy to survive on a tank there but if the healers go down and there is no one with a rez, the dps will take unavoidable damage and die on that boss. Also very few tanks use their tools to help the dps survive in normal mode though that alone is insufficient on that boss. I’ve finished several duties alone on a tank (though I stuck it if I see that it will take more than a few minutes) and it’s nothing to be proud of or brag about as I am practically immortal.

SE should just put an auto enrage after a few minutes if a party entered a duty synched and there is only one person left alive or, even better, nerf tanks. The survivability of tanks is over the top now and it shouldn’t be possible to clear new content with just the tanks while the rest of the party is dead.

[Larirawiel]

Heaven forbid first timers can't clear immediately upon seeing the fight.

They need to have enrages in normal content to stop this nonsense happening. Either that or severely nerf tank self sustain. Ideally both.

If you try to prevent this nonsense with enrage timers then you will get another nonsense like tanks, who ALT+F4 after the first wipe. And then, have fun to find new tanks and waiting 30 minutes for them.


OK, seriously. The tanks do not solo the bosses because it is fun. They do it because they assume, that it will take additional 10+ wipes with this group to kill the boss. It is a simple calculation. What is better? Soloing it or wiping 10+ times more? It is what it is. If the rest of the group is dead then the tanks do not have the trust, that the rest of the group is able to kill the boss. And then they solo it. And if the bosses will get enrage timers to prevent it then the tanks will make a different calculation: What is better? ALT+F4 or wiping 10+ times? I am sure, you can answer it for yourself.



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[Laerune]

If you try to prevent this nonsense with enrage timers then you will get another nonsense like tanks, who ALT+F4 after the first wipe. And then, have fun to find new tanks and waiting 30 minutes for them.


OK, seriously. The tanks do not solo the bosses because it is fun. They do it because they assume, that it will take additional 10+ wipes with this group to kill the boss. It is a simple calculation. What is better? Soloing it or wiping 10+ times more? It is what it is. If the rest of the group is dead then the tanks do not have the trust, that the rest of the group is able to kill the boss. And then they solo it. And if the bosses will get enrage timers to prevent it then the tanks will make a different calculation: What is better? ALT+F4 or wiping 10+ times? I am sure, you can answer it for yourself.



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I think a good fix would be to make it so avoidable mechanics take the same % of the tanks HP that a dps or healer loses when they fail to avoid mechanics. A tank having 8-9 Vul and still being fine, while other roles die after getting 1-2 Vul is bad game design.

[Supersnow845]

If you try to prevent this nonsense with enrage timers then you will get another nonsense like tanks, who ALT+F4 after the first wipe. And then, have fun to find new tanks and waiting 30 minutes for them.


OK, seriously. The tanks do not solo the bosses because it is fun. They do it because they assume, that it will take additional 10+ wipes with this group to kill the boss. It is a simple calculation. What is better? Soloing it or wiping 10+ times more? It is what it is. If the rest of the group is dead then the tanks do not have the trust, that the rest of the group is able to kill the boss. And then they solo it. And if the bosses will get enrage timers to prevent it then the tanks will make a different calculation: What is better? ALT+F4 or wiping 10+ times? I am sure, you can answer it for yourself.



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Honestly, I’m being completely honest here, do you genuinely believe this, like truly believe that if tanks didn’t have the power to solo bosses they’d all just alt+f4 till the party kicks them

Because I’m sorry but this is quite literally the most asinine take I have ever seen on this topic given we have 10 years of history of the game where the ranks couldn’t do this and there wasn’t an endemic of baby tanks who’d rather shut off the game than wipe a few times to get a clear

If this is genuinely what you’d do if they nerfed sustain or made enrages then please kindly never play a tank again

[Karious]

Judging from this dudes signature, he just hates tanks and wants to punish them because how of healers have been treated.

[Larirawiel]

Honestly, I’m being completely honest here, do you genuinely believe this, like truly believe that if tanks didn’t have the power to solo bosses they’d all just alt+f4 till the party kicks them

I do not believe it, i know it. Because it already happens sometimes. After the first wipe, someone leaves the group. Because there is no trust, that the group will clear the content quickly.

Because I’m sorry but this is quite literally the most asinine take I have ever seen on this topic given we have 10 years of history of the game where the ranks couldn’t do this and there wasn’t an endemic of baby tanks who’d rather shut off the game than wipe a few times to get a clear

If this is genuinely what you’d do if they nerfed sustain or made enrages then please kindly never play a tank again

Players take always the path of least resistance. If leaving a group makes it easier to reach the goal instead of wiping 10+ times on a boss then many people will do it, sorry. I play also many other MMOs and everywhere it is the same. And i do not think, that FF14 players are so special.



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[Supersnow845]

Judging from this dudes signature, he just hates tanks and wants to punish them because how of healers have been treated.

Wrong again sweetie, I play tanks plenty and I’m enjoy tanking quite a lot. I just don’t believe in immortality bestowed on me for having the transcendent skill level of pressing the blue role before i queue for a duty

I do not believe it, i know it. Because it already happens sometimes. After the first wipe, someone leaves the group. Because there is no trust, that the group will clear the content quickly.



Players take always the path of least resistance. If leaving a group makes it easier to reach the goal instead of wiping 10+ times on a boss then many people will do it, sorry. I play also many other MMOs and everywhere is it the same. And i do not think, that FF14 players are so special.



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Is it possible to learn this apparent clairvoyance that when one wipe happens you can immediately see it’ll lead to 10 more

In a trial or normal raid the path of least resistance is never leaving unless you have more time than attention span

[Larirawiel]

Is it possible to learn this apparent clairvoyance that when one wipe happens you can immediately see it’ll lead to 10 more

It is not clairvoyance, it is experience. Again, the tanks would not solo the bosses if they knew, that wiping and trying again would be faster. They simply assume, that it will be way slower because it will not be only one wipe. If you prevent this then they will simply leave the party and find another one. As a tank, you just wait seconds and the next content pops up. And yes, that's unfortunate for other roles, that tanks have this position of power. But it is what it is.



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[LianaThorne]

I do not believe it, i know it. Because it already happens sometimes. After the first wipe, someone leaves the group. Because there is no trust, that the group will clear the content quickly.

Genuinely haven't seen this at all since DT launched and I've been doing content ranging from normal dungeons to savage almost every day. I won't say this wasn't correct at a point in time (I remember it happening more often in Endwalker) but I genuinely can't think of a recent time where someone left early (outside of myself since I've been dealing with a death in my family and have had to be on call). Maybe I've gotten lucky with all of my groups but I highly doubt I'm that lucky to just consistently dodge impatient groups and never see it at all anymore. Perhaps the minority now are the ones who feel the way you do, which is fair enough.