Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[HighlanderClone]

Have you tried not dying?

Do not die and you will never have this problem.



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The people who can't clear the fight seem to actually have the skill issue.

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How are we in August and there are still brainlets who don't comprehend the idea of DPS dying to raidwides cos healers are dead.

90% of the time it isn't a skill issue. You die to a noob terrorizing you during spreads and get doubled. Or people running away from your stack marker. Or healers just flat out incapable of healing you because they were having a panic attack IRL after 1 single person died and went down to 2 APM.

It used to be healers have the biggest ego for playing the most braindead role, but now it looks like tanks are having an ego moment in Dawntrail for playing the second most braindead role.

[Oizen]

How are we in August and there are still brainlets who don't comprehend the idea of DPS dying to raidwides cos healers are dead.

90% of the time it isn't a skill issue. You die to a noob terrorizing you during spreads and get doubled. Or people running away from your stack marker. Or healers just flat out incapable of healing you because they were having a panic attack IRL after 1 single person died and went down to 2 APM.

It used to be healers have the biggest ego for playing the most braindead role, but now it looks like tanks are having an ego moment in Dawntrail for playing the second most braindead role.

Maybe the issue is that the single point of failure is entirely dependent on if the healer dies or not, and instead of nerfing an already unpopular role instead they should look into a format where that isn't the case. A good Red Mage is going to solve this scenario 90% of the time.
Now imagine if revivng people was something every job could do in normal content, either through some action like Criterion, or just by consumables like Phoenix Downs, which already exist jsut have a stupid "no combat" restriction. This wouldn't even have to be applied to Extreme+ content.

[Bobby66]

I mean if they are alive what obligation do they have to die because others were not able to stay alive for whatever reason?

[gllt]

I mean if they are alive what obligation do they have to die because others were not able to stay alive for whatever reason?

Not holding up gameplay for an inordinate amount of time, it's against the rules. You are preventing other people from playing.

And no, people learning the content isn't the same as holding you back from playing. DPSes wiping multiple times while trying to learn are correctly trying to engage with the content. They're not holding up gameplay on purpose even if it means you clear the dungeon a bit later. If they ARE by griefing, not doing their job, standing in damage, etc then you might have an angle but otherwise you don't. If it takes longer to clear because you have to let other people learn the content instead of soloing it, it's your job to deal with that reality.

[Bobby66]

Not holding up gameplay for an inordinate amount of time, it's against the rules. You are preventing other people from playing.

And no, people learning the content isn't the same as holding you back from playing. DPSes wiping multiple times while trying to learn are correctly trying to engage with the content. They're not holding up gameplay on purpose even if it means you clear the dungeon a bit later. If they ARE by griefing, not doing their job, standing in damage, etc then you might have an angle but otherwise you don't. If it takes longer to clear because you have to let other people learn the content instead of soloing it, it's your job to deal with that reality.

It is not against the rules ro actively try and kill the boss. The ToS does not state a player must give up because people died to the boss.

A player ia not obligated to kill themselves because their party members died. Never said the other players were holding the party hostage for not knowing the fight. What I am saying is the tanks in question are under no obligation to stop trying so they can die just to give others a chance that ia not holding the group hostage either.

The obligation of being a normal social human being with common sense? But I guess we are in 2024 ...

Common sense is not shared. For some it may he common sense to try your best and nor give up. Standing their waiting to die is giving up. Idk

It depend of the situation.
If it's after multiple wipe, only 10 minutes left on the timer and the boss only have around 5% left, well okay, i even encourage and root for the tanks
Otherwise i think that the tanks should just reset.

Don't get me wrong I do agree but not everyone has the same standard. I also don't think it is against the rules to try and finish the fight. I doubt anywhere in the ToS states that trying to finish the fight is holding the group hostage like some people in this thread have stated.

[Lorika]

I mean if they are alive what obligation do they have to die because others were not able to stay alive for whatever reason?

It depend of the situation.
If it's after multiple wipe, only 10 minutes left on the timer and the boss only have around 5% left, well okay, i even encourage and root for the tanks
Otherwise i think that the tanks should just reset.

[Zaniel]

I mean if they are alive what obligation do they have to die because others were not able to stay alive for whatever reason?

The obligation of being a normal social human being with common sense? But I guess we are in 2024 ...

[Asari5]

enrage in normal? yes we need that. and before some casuals complain at the sheer thought of it... the existence of an enrage doesnt make the fight harder. it all depends on how lenient it is.

do you know ruby weapon has one? most people dont even know that... so in most cases it wouldnt matter. but if this would be common there would be far less tanks doing a one man show because they know they would die anyway

[NanaWiloh]

Simple solution. If only one player is alive bosses enrages after 10 seconds. 400% increase in dmg output good bye tank.

[Turtledeluxe]

Simple solution. If only one player is alive bosses enrages after 10 seconds. 400% increase in dmg output good bye tank.

This the only solution. There's no guarantee a tank would even use raise if they had it.