It's time to Lock Out Machinist from PF

[RaZz0r]

This.
I did a 98 parse yesterday and doing only 200rdps more than our viper player who died and ended with a parse in the 50s.

Melees can mess up die, get raised and still do about the same dps as MCH. How does that make sense?

Indeed, the phys range balance overall at the top end is so messed up, if I had fallen in love with any other melee or caster job.
And put in as much time and effort of mastering it as I have done with MCH I would be in a much better place, but I freaking love MCH man.
I just want it to be good, I want the time I have put in learning it to be worth it, and while 99s feels good.

When I look at the actual logs, the damage I do is only on par of a 50-60% caster or melee, it feels horrible.
It's time for square to stop applying the phys ranged tax and balance all DPS somewhat equally, there is some top tier BS going on right now.

But sadly, if we ever see any sort of change it won't be until 8.0 as all jobs pre Endwalker has legacy design issues, granted not quite as bad as the phys range jobs

[Arill]

So I go back reading the thread, and you start Lodestone shaming? Yeesh. Just because you don't play a job doesn't mean you can't understand how it functions. Not to mention, MCH only gets very few things added onto its 90 rotation which are our 2m Full Metal Field and Excavator from Chainsaw. What's annoying is that I have actually bothered to poke around logs and lo and behold, MCH is the worst DPS in the game because it's not allowed to be a Pure DPS.

rDPS tends to be the biggest trend this tier considering we got a lot more 2m Burst happening after they double downed on it from Endwalker. Even checking nDPS and aDPS, MCH only comes out on top of just the bottom of the barrel, which are RDM/SMN along with the other two Ranged. It doesn't make sense why it should have the lowest rDPS since it's supposed to be the Pure DPS of the Physical Ranged role.

Locking out MCH is the only answer at this point since we're early in the tier and it sends a message that they need to fix it before Alliance Raid Patch. If a job with utility does far more contribution than a Pure DPS that barely has any, then there's a major problem.

If you actually looked at the logs, you'd see that the MCH median is only about 110 DPS behind DNC on M4S, which is a difference of an entire whooping 0.5% damage. There's absolutely nothing wrong with MCH's DPS, it's just what happens at the start of the expansion with crit-identity jobs like MNK, WAR and MCH, because there isn't enough substat growth for them yet -- that will be imrpoved as the tiers progress, always has been.
One of the jobs HAS to be the last in the list, I don't understand why it has to be an issue, and asking other people to lock the job off PF because you alone are not satisfied with your own self-imposed metrics is extremely entitled.
You seem extremely fixated on "utility" being solely a DPS raid buff thing, and forget completely that MCH alone has an extra mit on Dismantle which the other Phys Range have no equivalent of. That alone creates a unique niche for progging difficult fights.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

So...Machinist Strike?

Never. I will continue to drag down every group I'm in every day until the servers shut down. You'll have to pry my main out my cold dead hands. I don't care if it sucks, I'm only here to read the story anyway.

[Corwin_Sunchaser]

If you actually looked at the logs, you'd see that the MCH median is only about 110 DPS behind DNC on M4S, which is a difference of an entire whooping 0.5% damage. There's absolutely nothing wrong with MCH's DPS, it's just what happens at the start of the expansion with crit-identity jobs like MNK, WAR and MCH, because there isn't enough substat growth for them yet -- that will be imrpoved as the tiers progress, always has been.
One of the jobs HAS to be the last in the list, I don't understand why it has to be an issue, and asking other people to lock the job off PF because you alone are not satisfied with your own self-imposed metrics is extremely entitled.
You seem extremely fixated on "utility" being solely a DPS raid buff thing, and forget completely that MCH alone has an extra mit on Dismantle which the other Phys Range have no equivalent of. That alone creates a unique niche for progging difficult fights.

You're missing the point. MCH is last within the Phys. range role and the role itself is soooo far behind the melees and PCT, that's the main issue. The best MCH in the world do the same dps as a median melee, that's bad.

One job has to be the last in the list, ok. Why MCH? Because of dismantle? Because mobility? Ranged tax? I'd argue that SMN as has much mobitlity, same range, raise, can even heal, is less apm intensive and do more dps!

While I agree dismantle can be good during prog, it's not a game changer and once the first couple of weeks are done and a few pieces of stuff arrives... not that useful.

[Videra]

This person has not even played dawntrail machinist let alone cleared any content

I get where you're coming from, but a character on your forum account literally means nothing. I don't play the character tied to this account anymore, for example.

[Morkel]

One of the jobs HAS to be the last in the list, I don't understand why it has to be an issue, and asking other people to lock the job off PF because you alone are not satisfied with your own self-imposed metrics is extremely entitled.

There is a huge difference between being last by less then 5% and being last by over 10%. Most people won't care about being last if the margin is small enough, but the margin is pretty huge right now.

[Ramiee]

One of the jobs HAS to be the last in the list, I don't understand why it has to be an issue, and asking other people to lock the job off PF because you alone are not satisfied with your own self-imposed metrics is extremely entitled.

Well to be fair it's machinist.
This isn't BRD or DNC with their constant buffs, mitigation and healing. It isn't SMN or RDM with their buffs and Res. MCH has dismantle and basically a role ability Def buff, it has no raid buffs and if it doesn't bring raid buffs and it's role is a DPS.
Then all it has is it's damage. If machinist's main thing to bring to an encounter is it's damage then it should not be the weakest DPS in the game, It's simple balance. You can argue where it's damage should be but really it should be closer to the top then the bottom currently considering it's main role in a party is dealing damage. It would be like having a SAM who hits like a wet noodle, why would this ever be a good idea considering Sam has no utility or buffs.

[Valence]

This person has not even played dawntrail machinist let alone cleared any content

I do play all ranged physical and have raided with MCH and BRD for all expansions since SB, use my own main character on these forums, and I do mostly agree with the OP. The job is badly designed, does garbage damage in spite of everything, and doesn't fit its own niche.

[Corwin_Sunchaser]

If machinist's main thing to bring to an encounter is it's damage then it should not be the weakest DPS in the game, It's simple balance.

Then SE decided to give MCH dismantle: "you're a support now, stop complaining for DPS!".

[Eraden]

Mao really sad for MCHs. Mao thought BLMs has troubles buts now Mao reading more and more abouts MCHs being in SUPER TROUBLE. Mao asked in another thread buts got no answer to Mao question. Is helps coming to MCHs? Thems need fixings NOW! Waiting till 8.0 is too long to wait for this kind of problem. Mao honestly would not mind puttings BLMs on back burner if it meant MCHs could get fixed rights away.