It's time to Lock Out Machinist from PF

[Xieldras]

I do not know what they need to do with rphys on the support side, but as long as everyone and their moms have mitigation, and as long as resource support isnt a thing anymore, I don't think that doubling down on defensive support is suddenly gonna make the role better. You don't take it for this now and will probably not take it either unless the defensives are literally tank or healer LB levels of good. Or... if it's a raise. See DNC for example: its support is pretty good, and yet, why would you take a DNC right now beyond the 1% party role bonus? (hint: there is literally zero reason to take one)

It always boils down to all the facets of the game they axed and how barebones they have made the battle system today. It just doesn't offer any specific and important/mandatory niches to fill anymore for the role to be relevant in its current state. The only way to make it relevant in the current system is to make it like any other DPS, with average support tools and a good dps output. It sucks for identity, but that's the sad reality of the current battle system that doesn't accommodate anything else.

They've quite literally streamlined and optimised the fun out of the combat system.

[Connor]

Every rDPS gets that mitigation, it's a role action.

Yeah this, I should’ve made it clearer in the post but I meant ‘mitigation unique to the job’ and Troubadour/Samba/Tactician are much closer to a role skill than being unique to those jobs. I mean, Dancer doesn’t technically have mitigation itself either, but at least it has Improvisation to pretend it’s helping lol

It always boils down to all the facets of the game they axed and how barebones they have made the battle system today. It just doesn't offer any specific and important/mandatory niches to fill anymore for the role to be relevant in its current state. The only way to make it relevant in the current system is to make it like any other DPS, with average support tools and a good dps output. It sucks for identity, but that's the sad reality of the current battle system that doesn't accommodate anything else.

Editing to avoid double post. But yeah, I definitely think encounter design has a lot to do with the issues around phys ranged. As you say, with design the way it is even when jobs do have ‘good support/utility’ that really isn’t enough to make them attractive if they aren’t outputting the necessary dps. Ultimately meaning that no amount of defensive/utility support would really be enough if the actual dps output and balancing wasn’t addressed. Although, with that said I certainly wouldn’t complain if phys ranged got healing lb3 back lol. But even that still wouldn’t really make people want to take them outside of like very early progression. Plus a healing lb would make no sense for Machinist whatsoever lol.

And yeah, as sad as it is, I do agree that the current design really restricts how ‘different’ phys ranged can actually be in the grand scheme of things. Honestly I feel it’s begun to constrain the role’s ‘identity’ in the same it has with healers, in that it’s trying to be something that the battle system essentially doesn’t support anymore

[Zakuyia]

Didnt mch just eat good?

[mallleable]

Please reduce the cool down of Barrel Stabilizer from 120 seconds to 60 seconds. More America button, and more Hypercharge with no potency adjustments.

[Sol_Seppy]

Ugh. The truth is, yes MCH is very undertuned, but it's more a result of how overturned PCT is (DNC and BRD are so much higher because of PCT), (that and MCH struggling with gauge management in this specific fight). Not to mention, its a very small sample size, PLUS the fact that a sizeable amount of those MCH clears they have at least one personal death in, each. MCH will likely remain at the bottom, but it will even out slightly.

I also think that to put so much stock into the meta if you arent racing for world first is truly silly. Locking out MCH from pf when it performs fine in pug groups just shows they don't know what makes BRD and DNC so powerful. If you aren't clearing it's likely not because of your MCH alone, there are probably much bigger issues.

[Valence]

This reflects pretty well all jobs that are bad at downtime management. For instance, MCH, while able to pool and store a lot of resources, is totally helpless during downtime because it cannot hit any targets. DNC is in a similar state and at best can precast dances and I'm actually surprised that Improv never got to fill up gauge slowly. Only BRD does have some downtime tools, namely songs that continue to fill up repertoire even if there is nothing to hit.

[Emitans]

This reflects pretty well all jobs that are bad at downtime management. For instance, MCH, while able to pool and store a lot of resources, is totally helpless during downtime because it cannot hit any targets. DNC is in a similar state and at best can precast dances and I'm actually surprised that Improv never got to fill up gauge slowly. Only BRD does have some downtime tools, namely songs that continue to fill up repertoire even if there is nothing to hit.

It did. In Shadowbringers. They removed it for some reason???

[Morkel]

It did. In Shadowbringers. They removed it for some reason???

Because people were using it as a oGCD to try to server tick gauge rather then it's intended purpose.

[Valence]

Because people were using it as a oGCD to try to server tick gauge rather then it's intended purpose.

Yeah and in the usual SE fashion, instead of turning it into a total DPS loss by dramatically increasing the GCD recast (a bit like Honing Dance if you will), they just removed it. Genius.

[george357]

one you don't pay my sub two you don't work for the company and three they will not listen to your rant so no effect on ranged jobs.