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    Quote Originally Posted by CheshCa7 View Post
    Face it, it's just stupid.
    No, i'ts not. It's stupid to you for reasons I don't know. Rabbit ears are soft and flexible; you can easily pass a hood over them. I don't see the problem here unless you believe they are immobile and have bones. 'AH BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT' - this has never been a problem for miqo'tes (except now, since the company wants to save on even the smallest details).

    I don't know why you're so fixated on the issue of realism in a game where the company doesn't care about the lore it imposes, so I'm going to send you real images of rabbits wearing hats.





    Edited to add the anatomy of a rabbit, just for arguments about being realistic. See? No bones.

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    Last edited by Adamantini; 08-05-2024 at 06:31 PM.

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    Its because the hair and ear are in the same slot that the problem is still here. Personaly I am wondering, why male Viera and female Hroth are having this issue? The developers knew during Shadowbringers that the players were not going to accept this, so why create two models that cant wear hats? Dont the developers get the feedback, that we do not want limited races?

    Also Viera and Hroth should wear all hats, not only hats created after shadowbringer, ALL THE HATS. We are paying $ a month, we deserve better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    Its because the hair and ear are in the same slot that the problem is still here. Personaly I am wondering, why male Viera and female Hroth are having this issue? The developers knew during Shadowbringers that the players were not going to accept this, so why create two models that cant wear hats? Dont the developers get the feedback, that we do not want limited races?

    Also Viera and Hroth should wear all hats, not only hats created after shadowbringer, ALL THE HATS. We are paying $ a month, we deserve better.
    Actually, I don't think the ears are in the same slot as the hair. From what I've read, the hairs need to have 2 versions: a normal one, and another deformed one to accommodate the hat. In the case of the two races in question, the hairs weren't made for this because the company already had in mind never to make hats.

    It's no surprise to expect something like this; SE has been less concerned with bringing details to the game each day. No other race has more items exclusive to its anatomy (they simply take the Hyur model and apply it to everyone), except for the Lalafell, which I honestly think still receives this exclusivity because there's no way to adjust the Hyur items.

    Bringing hats to Hrothgar would require some to have muzzles, while Viera have long ears that would require modifications to some hats to accommodate them (like top hats needing ear pockets because clipping would look strange; hats with a lot of detail on top would need a cutout to allow the ears to pass through; etc.). The company has already shown that it is not willing to spend on this, even with us paying $ a month
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantini View Post
    No, i'ts not. It's stupid to you for reasons I don't know. Rabbit ears are soft and flexible; you can easily pass a hood over them. I don't see the problem here unless you believe they are immobile and have bones. 'AH BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT' - this has never been a problem for miqo'tes (except now, since the company wants to save on even the smallest details).

    I don't know why you're so fixated on the issue of realism in a game where the company doesn't care about the lore it imposes, so I'm going to send you real images of rabbits wearing hats.





    Edited to add the anatomy of a rabbit, just for arguments about being realistic. See? No bones.

    You never had a rabbit, and it shows. While there are ofc no bones, some species' ears are not so flexible and also it's not recommended to have stuff around the ears. Sure, you can do it for a cute photo, like you have there, but that's about it.
    Also, in the first pic that hat (not really a hood since it's just the hats part) is placed exactly like a hat, with minimum ear involvement. As you can see it is tied under the head.
    Also I am not complaining about realism, all I said is that not everything mods do looks good. Go on twitter for some examples. Ok, a lot of examples.
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    Instead of edit as I am on a phone: why do you feel so strongly about me saying i would not use most hats in game? Why did that bother you so that you needed to reply?
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    They should hire people that CAN do things, instead of keeping people who clearly CANT do things.
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    Now I just want to see a lot more pictures of rabbits wearing hats. Maybe it could inspire the devs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheshCa7 View Post
    Why did that bother you so that you needed to reply?
    ??? Ok, here we go.

    You come into a topic where people are saying they want hats for a race, and you say you don't like the idea because you think the concept of some hats is stupid, imagining how it would work in reality (like hoodies).

    You are countered (what a surprise! Who would have thought?) about why this shouldn't even be part of the discussion, since in a game, the last thing we should think about is whether something works in reality, instead of 'Is this something that will make someone have fun?' You directly quote this comment and say: Face it, it's just stupid.

    Right after, you are responded to again and asked, 'Why is this so important to you?' Friend, I'm the one who should be asking that. You're the one who wanted to extend the conversation, and I love discussions, especially when I have free time. If you quote me, I will come back sooner or later. Coming and telling me 'you have to agree that it's stupid,' sorry, it's not going to happen.

    If you don't like what was shown, that's your opinion. But it amuses me how the argument 'it's just my opinion' should make you immune to opinions contrary to yours, once you're giving your opinion in a topic that goes against what you agree with.


    And regarding the argument that some rabbit breeds don't have flexible ears, just imagine that this isn't the case for Viera, simple.
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    The bare minimum they should do is make sure that at least newer sets and especially cash store sets have working hats for hroth and bunnies

    WoW has like a thousand races with different head shapes and they have helmets for every one
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    Last edited by Pepperblue; 08-05-2024 at 08:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheshCa7 View Post
    Yeah, was expecting the "iT's A GAeM " argument. Thing is you still expect things to make sense in the game setting. Are the hoods elastic? Are they magic? Do we take the ears off?
    Face it, it's just stupid.

    But as I said, I know people want them and that's ok. Compared to what modbeasts do in this game the hats are really in good taste. That's not a high bar, though.
    To be fair here, Viera can likely rotate and bend their ears like rabbits and hares, their ears may be somewhat eleastic/flexible, but of course the bigger the ears the harder it would be to put a hat on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantini View Post
    Not sure a Holland Lop (??) reinforces the point.
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    Last edited by TBerry; 08-07-2024 at 03:28 PM.

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