I'm unsubbing over the Viper changes

[PangTong]

I went into Dawntrail already feeling demoralized because they dumbed down my favourite job, Monk, by removing timer management and just making it "follow the glowing button". Then I found Viper and my interest was renewed. Pretty simple overall but it had some of the timer management I liked, I liked how it looked, it felt good to play. This was something I could see myself playing long-term, I was enjoying logging in each day and playing again.

I didn't even get to enjoy the job for a single damn patch before it was torn away from me. At this point it feels like the devs hate me specifically, like they don't want me in particular to have fun. Everything I like gets dumbed down until I hate it and I'm just so fed up.

There's still things about the game I enjoy but every time I think about playing I'm reminded that they screwed up Viper for no good reason and I get so annoyed that I lose all interest. Everything I find fun just gets lobotomized to try to appeal to players who don't even really care and who will still won't press the right buttons anyway. No point giving feedback because even hundreds of people turning up on the forums to say to leave something alone isn't enough to counter complaints from 2 players saying it's too complex.

If Noxious Gash is restored as it was then I'll come back, but I've played long enough to know the devs are stubborn and hardheaded about their "improvements" and basically never walk back changes no matter what the players say, so I'm not hopeful. To all those who complained and who will say "I like the changes actually": May you have all the simplification you ever wanted. I've had enough.

[AngaratoSvartberg]

ok byeeeeee

[4clubbedace]

The standard bye bye threads. We get them every expansion and patch.

Forums are a net negative , most ppl here are too complain, idk why people think their own individual leaving is meaningful unless they create a singular "everyone who's leaving cause of X like me post in this thread and why"

The scatter shot way of how eng forums do it are rather moot

[koko-on-da-forumz]

As a fellow Monk player, I know exactly how you're feeling.

Also unsubbed, for this among other reasons. A $15/mo charge in addition to expansion costs, for what? More cutscenes and less fun year over year?

[Yuella]

See you in 3 months

[CerusSerenade]

See you in 3 months

More likely just a week, but you'll be right either way.

[Retsu90]

Can't blame you. People will clown on you and then fade over to the next big thing after their poor decisions ruin this game.

[AngaratoSvartberg]

i wonder whats going on in your life if the removal of an automatic debuff in your standard rotation that took 1/500th of an IQ to not screw up was the last thread that kept you playing.
the job plays exactly the fucking same. cept now you can actually swap targets without gimping yourself.

but good luck in wherever it is you're going im sure the devs there will listen to your dramatic main character syndrom rants. as they are wont to do.

[ovIm]

i wonder whats going on in your life if the removal of an automatic debuff in your standard rotation that took 1/500th of an IQ to not screw up was the last thread that kept you playing.
the job plays exactly the fucking same. cept now you can actually swap targets without gimping yourself. .

Tell me you have not understood Viper Gameplay without saying you have not understood Viper Gameplay.
Anyone who says the job still plays the same played it wrong before the patch.

[HEKnTEKn]

A lot of people have been saying this doesn't really change anything... but please consider what made Noxious Gnash (NG) unique!

As a result of the 11 second awakening burst and shorter NG debuff timers, It was imperative to re-up NG just before beginning your burst, ESPECIALLY if you had the resources to double awakening, and also to save a single dreadwinder combo near burst phases to safely re-apply GN for the following coils near the end of buff phase. Removing the debuff means you no longer have to (intentionally) prep or save resources before your burst phase, which was akin to saving gauge on BRD and being sure to only fire off at 90+ charge or holding wyrmwind thrust when buffs were coming back up on DRG. The serpent offerings guage manages itself easily and isn't really a guage you pay attention to, and your goal is to make sure you DON'T save too many coils for burst phase, as you were guaranteed to gain two charges every 2 minute burst, and at least 1 every other minute. Noxious Gnash was the only true fail point to pay attention too beyond pressing glowing buttons on a railroaded combo.

Having a button to press and knowing you need to save it is extra job complexity. Needing to press a button before a critical timing in rotation is extra job complexity, and the removal of noxious gnash single handedly removes it all.

Furthermore, the change from using dread fangs to apply NG to needing to swap between the two combos has had the side effect of removing the dancing between combos. If you open with 1-1-1, combo is now, repeating for eternity: 1-1-1, 2-2-2, 1-1-2, 2-2-1. Unless you mess up, you will not find yourself ever pressing 1-2-1, or 2-1-2. The free-flowingness of following the combo route has ripped out and replaced with Monk's Dragonkick-Bootshine, or DRG's combo cycles.

In addition to the NG issues, they also went overboard in increasing the length of the general GCD combo buffs, as with 40 seconds to hit the next finisher your 22 seconds double awakening combo, tied with refreshing NG with Dreadwinder and Spending your coils under buffs meant that you had to intentionally prep every 2 minute by re-applying your NG and prepping the finisher, so that you could use the finisher right on time! These are all not necessarily hard decisions, but the only true concious decisions to be made given how absolutely free-flowing Viper is made by design. Viper was made free-flowing specifically to load the weight of engagement upon the interactions of abilities to apply NG at the right time, and to prep finishers ahead of time.

Bring it back! This is far worse than losing Kaiten was and fundamentally changes the job from it's intended identity!