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  1. #61
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    4clubbedace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    OG Barrett was amazing back when I was a kid. We all loved him. Sorry you're too young to have been there.

    Francis Scott key bridge collapse? I have no idea what this even is. If a bridge collapses, some politician has to be held accountable and investigate why it collapsed, though.
    You can't even use logic in your own words , I'm talking about how grown people with functioning brains and comprehension complained about it
    , I'm glad you were apparently a child who couldn't see nuance at the time

    Stop talking out your ass , the bridge collapsed to to a malfuncting freighter , thankfully for the timing and professionalism both on board and in control towers, the unfortunate losses that did happen was kept to a smaller amount

    But because the mayor was black weirdo freaks that see DEI as a Boogeyman word of the day because people see people yell about "woke" as cringe and needed a new word
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekundessounet View Post
    DEI and all that jazz is a scapegoat for racists to push up their ideas. The problem is always women, it's always people of color. It did not become worse because people value gender and skin color more than "talent" and "experience". It was the same 12 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago.
    Funnily enough this is the selfsame issue I have with "DEI", or "Affirmative Action", or "Positive Discrimination", just because you give it a new name, a shiny coat of paint and billions in marketing doesn't make racism not racism and it doesn't make sexism not sexism. "Whites need not apply" is no different to "No black people". Once upon a time someone famously gave a speech about being judged not by the colour of one's skin but by the content of one's character, when I was growing up I believed in that (I still do) and I thought the world believed in it too, it's sad to see that vision thrown to the curb by the same political parties who advocated for it and to see it used and abused to clearly racist ends.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    Funnily enough this is the selfsame issue I have with "DEI", or "Affirmative Action", or "Positive Discrimination", just because you give it a new name, a shiny coat of paint and billions in marketing doesn't make racism not racism and it doesn't make sexism not sexism. "Whites need not apply" is no different to "No black people". Once upon a time someone famously gave a speech about being judged not by the colour of one's skin but by the content of one's character, when I was growing up I believed in that (I still do) and I thought the world believed in it too, it's sad to see that vision thrown to the curb by the same political parties who advocated for it and to see it used and abused to clearly racist ends.
    Again, if you see more black people, women and minorities now, it's because it gives brownie points to marketing. It's not a political project to reverse the vapor and create an apartheid against white people.
    MLK gave that speech about hoping that the differences born of racism would one day disappear. And that on this day the color of one's skin wouldn't matter. But we can't act like racism doesn't exist and hope it makes it go away. It doesn't work like that.

    Although I'll repeat myself, but representation in mainstream media nowadays is more often than not the result of a cynical calculation to sell products. While it can give nice enough representation, it's not the advent of equality between ethnicities, and we white people are still coming up on top of it by far.
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  4. #64
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    The game is better off without people like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciferMournstar View Post
    There is a difference between gently introducing it so people can get used to and accept it, instead they opt for beating us over the head with it like a Baseball Bat.

    "Marketing saw it makes sell more" someone doesn't read or listen to news, and hasn't been following how many games SBI and such have tanked to the point they've made entire game dev companies close their doors.
    man

    With all the inclusion and diversity element in Concord, it's gonna be the most popular online shooter game people keep talking about for the next 5 years. Join Concord community with its playerbase so immense that it reached 2 thousands players peak world-wide when it was free during Beta.

    With only $39.99 USD you can prove yourself to be a loyal ally to BLM and LGBTQ. Pre-order Concord on Playstation, NOW.








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  6. #66
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    Ashennae's Avatar
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    Mel Knight
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    Good riddance.
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  7. 08-03-2024 08:50 PM
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    Didn't reply to who I wanted it to reply to.

  8. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR View Post
    Discontinued FFXIV subscription and will not be purchasing the upcoming Dragon Quest remasters or Sieken Densetsu due to EXTREMELY poor wiring in DT, as well as Western wokeness and DEI infesting SE corporation-wide.
    Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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  9. #68
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitelancer View Post
    At least he got nice biceps.

    Also, don't forget



    Came to obvious bait thread just to say that Cloud crossdressing was actually just for shits and giggles. You know, for comedy.

    Crossdressing has been in comedy for quite a while, and in the mid-late 90s to the early 2000s even, there were a lot of comedy shows/sketches/events that featured it.

    Dave Chapelle even had a citation about one of the reasons he turned down the 50 million dollar contract to renew Chapelle show being due to the studio pushing really hard for him to do a crossdressing sketch. (He was firmly against doing that, believing it to be lowbrow humor)

    Part of Cloud's bit is that the bad guys at the time were licentious enough to either not notice or not care, until the dress came off and the illusion was undone.

    The short of it is, it was never an event that was a positive portrayal for LGBT. It was an event laughing at their expense. In the same way that the Golden Saucer "date" with Barrett was also a play for comedy, rather than genuine romantic teasing.

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    On another note, some other poster in the thread made the assertion that the Amano "concept" art has featured Bishounen and Biseinen boys forever, and while that's partially true, it doesn't take into consideration that his artwork didn't come with the games commonly on the stateside until Final Fantasy VI, and Final Fantasy VI's artwork was actually based off of the in game sprites not the other way round, so his art isn't even always the original concept. It's just that his art is heavily intertwined with the games, as the devs for the series have wanted it to be.

    So the first Amano art to show up with a game state side was in the FFVI instruction booklet for the then titled Final Fantasy III on the Super Nintendo, and there was a lot greater variety to the characters. Like Gau isn't androgynous or bishi. Sabin(Mash) is muscular in the extreme, to the point of looking dopey in one art and then looking somewhat rough but debonair on the same page. Locke is as close as a Final Fantasy character gets to being androgynous until the playstation era, really.



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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

  10. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    The short of it is, it was never an event that was a positive portrayal for LGBT. It was an event laughing at their expense. In the same way that the Golden Saucer "date" with Barrett was also a play for comedy, rather than genuine romantic teasing.
    Are... are you just ignoring the entire section with the Honeybee inn? maybe the original was done for laughs, but that is not true of the remake. I would also like to point out that maybe the original date with barret was a joke, but have you actually played Rebirth and gotten his date? it is extremely wholesome, and more of a bromance moment than a date.
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  11. #70
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    X'lota Qi
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    Nice "résumé"
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    "A good RPG needs a healthy dose of imbalance."
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuC365vjzBFmvbu6M7dB80A

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