Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[Karious]

DEI and all that jazz is a scapegoat for racists to push up their ideas. The problem is always women, it's always people of color. It did not become worse because people value gender and skin color more than "talent" and "experience". It was the same 12 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. It's just that marketing-wise, what was well seen to prop up 15 years ago were "White Male Dude in their Thirties, a 3-day beard and a mood". Now marketing realized that having more diversity makes product sell more. They can even, in all their despicable cynicism, market on "first X in this series" and try to create an event. It's still marketing cynicism. Meanwhile, game devs and creators have always tried to make diverse games, it's not new. It's maybe a bit easier nowadays.

It's the same as before. Don't give the time of day to grifters trying to tell you it's the fault of "DEI", or SJW, or any trendy word to hide racism and misogyny. DEI is not ruining your games, poor dev conditions are, always, always will be.

EDIT : As for OP, if you've played FF for the last 37 years as you claim, and you're complaining about "wokeness" now, I'd suggest a good visit to the ophtalmologist, because in design and story, FF has always leaned into "wokeness".

I think you have it wrong. Many people who have issues with DEI aren't racist, nor do they have issues with people of color. The issue being that it's corporate mandated safe inclusivity that often mis-characterizes Minorities through committee. They often hire third party companies who claim to be experts. I don't need some college graduate white lady to write a woman of color ( something I have a lot of experience with being, thank you very much.)

Have you ever noticed how back in the day, no one ever complained about characters? People loved Barrett, Dom (from gears of war), Cole Train (same series), etc etc. Diversity is amazing and we want more of it, but not at the expense of well written and likable diverse characters. I would've loved to have gotten to see more of my actual culture in Dawntrail, instead of it being reduced to "tacos, cenotes, ponchos and jungles."

Why is it that games that feature inauthentic people of color are constantly flopping? Redfall, Zau, Forspoken, Concord, etc... people want believable characters that actually represent them, not whatever some company checklist says represents them. :/

So I don't always dismiss people who complain about DEI, because there's generally an actual argument in why they believe in what they do that isn't just "omg I'm a racist".

[Sekundessounet]

I think you have it wrong. Many people who have issues with DEI aren't racist, nor do they have issues with people of color. The issue being that it's corporate mandated safe inclusivity that often mis-characterizes Minorities through committee. They often hire third party companies who claim to be experts. I don't need some college graduate white lady to write a woman of color ( something I have a lot of experience with being, thank you very much.)

Have you ever noticed how back in the day, no one ever complained about characters? People loved Barrett, Dom (from gears of war), Cole Train (same series), etc etc. Diversity is amazing and we want more of it, but not at the expense of well written and likable diverse characters. I would've loved to have gotten to see more of my actual culture in Dawntrail, instead of it being reduced to "tacos, cenotes, ponchos and jungles."

Why is it that games that feature inauthentic people of color are constantly flopping? Redfall, Zau, Forspoken, Concord, etc... people want believable characters that actually represent them, not whatever some company checklist says represents them. :/

So I don't always dismiss people who complain about DEI, because there's generally an actual argument in why they believe in what they do that isn't just "omg I'm a racist".

People get swept up in these things, hence why I'm telling this. DEI itself is a term propped up by right-wing grifters and racists, and the fact that it became part of the conversation is a victory for them.

"Have you ever noticed how back in the day, no one ever complained about characters? People loved Barrett, Dom (from gears of war), Cole Train (same series), etc etc. Diversity is amazing and we want more of it, but not at the expense of well written and likable diverse characters. I would've loved to have gotten to see more of my actual culture in Dawntrail, instead of it being reduced to "tacos, cenotes, ponchos and jungles.""

People complained all the time back in the day too. You saw less of it because social media wasn't as hegemonic. But people complained. A lot.

"Why is it that games that feature inauthentic people of color are constantly flopping? Redfall, Zau, Forspoken, Concord, etc... people want believable characters that actually represent them, not whatever some company checklist says represents them. :/"

These games didn't flop because of representation, they flopped because of very poor gameplay and bad press (and for Concord, really, unoriginalty and trying to make a hero shooter in this day and age)

[Sekundessounet]

There is a difference between gently introducing it so people can get used to and accept it, instead they opt for beating us over the head with it like a Baseball Bat.

"Marketing saw it makes sell more" someone doesn't read or listen to news, and hasn't been following how many games SBI and such have tanked to the point they've made entire game dev companies close their doors.

It's always too much, it's always too soon, it's always too strongly.

""Marketing saw it makes sell more" someone doesn't read or listen to news, and hasn't been following how many games SBI and such have tanked to the point they've made entire game dev companies close their doors." Please get out of your media bubble

[4clubbedace]

I think you have it wrong. Many people who have issues with DEI aren't racist, nor do they have issues with people of color. The issue being that it's corporate mandated safe inclusivity that often mis-characterizes Minorities through committee. They often hire third party companies who claim to be experts. I don't need some college graduate white lady to write a woman of color ( something I have a lot of experience with being, thank you very much.)

Have you ever noticed how back in the day, no one ever complained about characters? People loved Barrett, Dom (from gears of war), Cole Train (same series), etc etc. Diversity is amazing and we want more of it, but not at the expense of well written and likable diverse characters. I would've loved to have gotten to see more of my actual culture in Dawntrail, instead of it being reduced to "tacos, cenotes, ponchos and jungles."

Why is it that games that feature inauthentic people of color are constantly flopping? Redfall, Zau, Forspoken, Concord, etc... people want believable characters that actually represent them, not whatever some company checklist says represents them. :/

So I don't always dismiss people who complain about DEI, because there's generally an actual argument in why they believe in what they do that isn't just "omg I'm a racist".

>Back in th day

Now I know you're nothing but bla bla bla words because even back then I knew people that didn't like how ff7 og barret was just mister T , to the point remake barret has been praised tor giving him more depth and leaning more into his revolutionary angle , qlso no one gives a shit about gears

I know people complaining about Dei are full of shit when they tried to blame the Francis Scott key bridge collapse on a black mayor over "woke dei mayor???!?" , absolute deranged up-their-bum freaks

[Karious]

>Back in th day

Now I know you're nothing but bla bla bla words because even back then I knew people that didn't like how ff7 og barret was just mister T , to the point remake barret has been praised tor giving him more depth and leaning more into his revolutionary angle , qlso no one gives a shit about gears

I know people complaining about Dei are full of shit when they tried to blame the Francis Scott key bridge collapse on a black mayor over "woke dei mayor???!?" , absolute deranged up-their-bum freaks

OG Barrett was amazing back when I was a kid. We all loved him. Sorry you're too young to have been there.

Francis Scott key bridge collapse? I have no idea what this even is. If a bridge collapses, some politician has to be held accountable and investigate why it collapsed, though.

[Sekundessounet]

Thanks for voicing your opinion OP, though you'll mostly get negative backlash here. You're only allowed to have an opinion that doesn't "offend" them. They're allowed to shove it in your face though, whether you like it or not. Check people's search comments and Adventure plates. You'll see that a lot of folks JUST HAVE TO LET YOU KNOW they are gay, lesbian, trans, ect. They just NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, so you can treat them special like they DEMAND. I wonder how people would react if I made sure everyone knew I was Heterosexual. Just made sure they knew it right off the rip. Oh wait, that's right. "Why would you say that? Who cares?"

Freedom of speech means that people can also voice their opinion on your opinion.
As for people putting their identities in plates, if you understood the struggle of coming out of the closet, you'd get why so many people do it. It's not for special treatment, it's for their own sake. You don't have to give special treatment to anyone, and if you feel like you do, the problem is your environment.

[Sekundessounet]

OG Barrett was amazing back when I was a kid. We all loved him. Sorry you're too young to have been there.

Francis Scott key bridge collapse? I have no idea what this even is. If a bridge collapses, some politician has to be held accountable and investigate why it collapsed, though.

And now you're an adult, and you act like the people complaining about Barret in yesterdays. The ones you didn't hear because you were a kid. Congrats.

[Karious]

And now you're an adult, and you act like the people complaining about Barret in yesterdays. The ones you didn't hear because you were a kid. Congrats.

I don't care.

[Sekundessounet]

I don't care.

You don't care about a lot of things beside your own ego it seems yeah

[Turnintino]

Tiny baby can't handle completely innocuous viewpoints outside his own. So sad.