Thread: Summoner Rework 2.0

Originally Posted by Tunda

We don't need quick fixes

Quick fixes can be done in small patches not an expansion

The job now feels limited with rigged identity

It is not a caster nor physical

A caster casts spells. SMN casts spells. The speed of the casts doesn’t make them any less of a caster.

The devs have said they’re leaning more in job identity in 8.0. Summoner isn’t a Druid or a shapeshifter, though like I said, that would be a cool additional job to have. Summoners summon, and in this game what they summon are arcane constructs from the lingering aether of primals we’ve fought. What Summoner really needs is more summons… imo the very next thing that should be added is Levi, Shiva and Ramuh, which a large number of players have been requesting for years now.

Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

A caster casts spells. SMN casts spells. The speed of the casts doesn’t make them any less of a caster.

SMN is a caster in role bonus and gear only. It's a physical ranged with magical flavour

i still say its not a shapeshifter, we didnt "transform" into a primal, we just learn their ability and incorporate it our ways (waving hand, book etc)

at least i dont remember any summoning in any ff game where you literally transform into the summon. we just summon them and they appear alongside us and fight together either for a short burst or for a while, its basically master servant kind of thing

Originally Posted by gumas

i still say its not a shapeshifter, we didnt "transform" into a primal, we just learn their ability and incorporate it our ways (waving hand, book etc)

at least i dont remember any summoning in any ff game where you literally transform into the summon. we just summon them and they appear alongside us and fight together either for a short burst or for a while, its basically master servant kind of thing

Ff16 summoning style is the best in my opinion

Originally Posted by Tunda

We don't need quick fixes

Quick fixes can be done in small patches not an expansion

The job now feels limited with rigged identity

It is not a caster nor physical

read the second sentence.

No, thanks. That sounds awful.

Summoner =/= Shape shifter

I feel like if they slightly lengthened the time you spent in each summon phase and added more contextual spells to each, Summoner could feel a lot more complete too. Bahamut > Summon A > Summon B > Phoenix > Summon C > Summon D. Entirely replace Ruin with Gemshine, and have 3 extra spell slots that shift based on summon.

I doubt they'd revert to old Summoner levels of complexity (granted, I have no experience with that one, joined just shy of EW release) but that doesn't mean current summoner can't be a bit more interactive.

Rename to bahamut mage and call it a day. That's what we are so at least make it clear to not mislead people.