Thread: Summoner Rework 2.0

Originally Posted by Tunda

Summoner job design Idea will be the same,
Mage who summon Eikons to empower their skills,

each summon should have their own characteristics and gameplay differences shapeshifting, basically it is Druid but for FFXIV

Summoner will have the casting time of Black mage and the melee combo of red mage with no raise we don't need another tax for our beloved summoner job.

Ifrit, yes this is the best, I played FF16 and I must say, this Eikon grows on me so fast I love it,

Ifrit is the melee form of Summoner, Summoner stop using his dumb book and use his fangs to do devastating attacks that is fast and deadly, something similar to Reaper shroud, Casts are 1.5 to 2 seconds with 2 OGCDs.

Phenix is the range version of Ifrit and more damage but has longer cast 2.5 with there characteristics:
- when switch to this form Summoner will get buff that will auto raise summoner when died.
- each phenix attack will consume Summoner health reaching to 0 will auto raise.

Bahamut is range and not only the most powerful but the slowest too, 3.0 second recast with 1000 potency attacks, damage buffs to party too.

Titan again it is melee like Ifrit but slower and higher potency

Garuda weaker than Bahamut but the ability to Walk casting like PVP Machinist and Bard.

remove solar Bahamut

In conclusion:
2 Melee forms: 1 High speed, 1 Low speed
3 Range forms: 1 Normal casting, 1 Walking casting, 1 Slow Casting

that's it, I know it is not complete I am just giving the ideas.

I believe summoner super power has been held by too much utility and raise..
Just remove them let us have a real job with respected damage

SE only makes jobs more simple. Any additional changes to summoner would bring it closer to a scholar DPS rotation, you can look at the VPR changes for proof

Originally Posted by Tunda

Summoner job design Idea will be the same,
Mage who summon Eikons to empower their skills,

each summon should have their own characteristics and gameplay differences shapeshifting, basically it is Druid but for FFXIV

Honestly I’d rather they just create a separate Druid shapeshifting job. That was what some people were hoping for with Green Mage. We got Picto instead, which I love, but that doesn’t mean they won’t add more jobs in the future. A Druid type job would be really cool for XIV, but I don’t think it fits SMN.

Right now, Summoner is more true to the job fantasy of the older games. What it really needs is more gem summons to round out the elements and liven up the rotation in between demis.

I would like to see summoner broke something called "rotation"

Each fight summoner should summon eikon 1 time only

Summoning ifrit 5 times in 1 fight is boring and dumb

Streamline the summoning for the whole fight

Doesn’t it kind of contradict the definition of ‘Summoner’ if they’re literally changing into the desired entity? I’d rather Summoners just summoned personally; a Shapeshifting job should be its own thing ( Psst…it’s Beastmaster )

Originally Posted by Connor

Doesn’t it kind of contradict the definition of ‘Summoner’ if they’re literally changing into the desired entity? I’d rather Summoners just summoned personally; a Shapeshifting job should be its own thing ( Psst…it’s Beastmaster )

Beast master clearly is a pet job as yoshi said

It is not shape-shifting

Current summoner isn't even a pet job
You have 0 control on ur pet he is not even attacking

It is like rigged shape-shifting job

i have my own take for summoner, i post i think like year ago?

- the flow still the same, you summon the "big" one (bahamut, phoenix, etc) you get 3 summon crystal
- the difference now is these 3 crystal is not ifrit, garuda and titan crystal, it just simply 3 summoning crystal
- you have array of summon you can pick the higher your level is
- each primal has it own spell when you summon them just like now, but you have many primal to choose from, each primal has different spell and ability
- like maybe ramuh has dot spell, leviathan is strong in AOE, ifrit deal better on single target, garuda spell is instant and kinda weak, but you can move while doing so, titan is in between, shiva give you def buff while you cast spell, etc
- so simply put you use 3 crystal to summon 3 times, but what you summon is up to you and the situation
- so in mob situation you can just summon leviathan - ramuh - leviathan, in boss fight where single target is important then its ifrit - titan - ifrit, or if the boss doing aoe a lot so you need constant moving, garuda - shiva - garuda, and so on

its much more flexible and really capture the feel of being a summoner where you use your arsenal of primal according to situation

I think the quickest fix to make SMN more engaging is adding back at least a weakness dot akin to RPR. SMN needs a lot more abilities and casting but this will take time.
I think if they readded some sort of weakness dot that makes you do extra damage on Necro and your summon spells, it will at least give you some future optimisation opportunities.

Originally Posted by Ramiee

I think the quickest fix to make SMN more engaging is adding back at least a weakness dot akin to RPR. SMN needs a lot more abilities and casting but this will take time.
I think if they readded some sort of weakness dot that makes you do extra damage on Necro and your summon spells, it will at least give you some future optimisation opportunities.

We don't need quick fixes

Quick fixes can be done in small patches not an expansion

The job now feels limited with rigged identity

It is not a caster nor physical