New Blacklist Update Problem

[Lazariah]

In the past I remember the system prevented me from joining parties with blacklisted players and vice versa.

Did it? I definitely do not remember this ever being a thing. Wasn't it always people you blacklisted could still join a party you're in? Otherwise people would be blacklisting everyone they think are unskilled for raids.

[TKOtheKDR]

I agree. Having someone blacklisted should prevent being placed in a group with them via the queue. I'd wager that code to employ that could be written in less than a day.

[Dante131]

Did it? I definitely do not remember this ever being a thing. Wasn't it always people you blacklisted could still join a party you're in? Otherwise people would be blacklisting everyone they think are unskilled for raids.

i am pretty sure this is already happening but i actually cant see the problem in that aswell. I blacklisted many people who join Farm grps and then playing floor tank before something rly dangerous happens. Example someone die at Valigamanda or whatever this thing is spelled, and i dont know why its mostly picto but dies caus of not stacking at fire phase or even before fire phase. its okay if you need learning but not in a Farm grp same for savages. So yeah if you dont want this players have in your grps why shouldnt you be allowed to blacklist them or did i missunderstood your point ?

[Lazariah]

i am pretty sure this is already happening but i actually cant see the problem in that aswell. I blacklisted many people who join Farm grps and then playing floor tank before something rly dangerous happens. Example someone die at Valigamanda or whatever this thing is spelled, and i dont know why its mostly picto but dies caus of not stacking at fire phase or even before fire phase. its okay if you need learning but not in a Farm grp same for savages. So yeah if you dont want this players have in your grps why shouldnt you be allowed to blacklist them or did i missunderstood your point ?

You did miss my point. My point was if you were able to never have any blacklisted person in a party you were in (not leading) we would see a LOT more people in the forum's complaining they can't find a group because they've been blacklisted by a lot of people (becuase people would use blacklist to get rid of players they don't find up to their skill level). So it's never worked like that, as OP assumed.

My comment had nothing to do as to whether it should be like that or not.

[Havenchild]

I hate it too, believe me but they won't stop using it lmao
i'd give up 2 new jobs to have the engine completely overhauled so we can get a actual glamour collection tab and other qol features

Except alot, probably even majority of the cry baby forums, are not willing to sacrifice anything for the time the dev team would need to overhaul the game entirely. This game needs more work than even 1 expansion timeframe can accomplish for the next one. Graphics update has already proven this concept.

[Amarande]

If you blacklisted such a high amount, either you blacklist for petty reasons or don't cycle people out every major patch.

This is usually the problem - a lot of MMO players actually do use the block list as a solution for relatively small slights e.g. folks that happen to chat loquaciously but otherwise benignly, advertise (even politely) their FC/guild in public locations, etc.

Why this is a thing when JP has a community blacklist that is very public is beyond me.

That blacklist is posted to a 4chan-esque website - i.e., it is anonymous, to the point that you'd need police forensics to track down the poster, and let's face it, it's not the kind of post that would concern police. We're not talking threats here, we're talking "Joe did something annoying in a video game so you may not want to group with Joe" (even if it is combined with a very unified culture that gives it a lot more power than it would in the West). And they're not even naming Joe, just his ingame character.

If that's harassment (although most online social venues would probably consider it so in 2024, which I assume is a reason why anonymous imageboards are used), then you probably couldn't say anything negative about a person anywhere without it counting as harassment (but that's another topic).

I'm assuming it may create too many issues to deal with everyone's individual block lists for public matchmaking.

This. The dilemma is whether you respect the personal comfort of two people enough to make the other n-2 people have to wait (without explanation) longer in queue, and it's even worse in an MMORPG (where instead of just "let's match players" like League, we have "let's match players, also they have to meet role criteria, gear criteria, instance unlocks etc").

I'm actually just about convinced at this point for instance that it's why LFR in WoW has such table flippingly long queue times (as WoW does elect to respect ignore lists when matching), and I don't even want to think about Alliance Raid or Frontline queues if it were done here.

SE's choice is likely the least evil.