Diagnosing Dark Knight

[Derio]

You need to look at HW DRK. It had crazy self sustain in dungeons. It had good self sustain with the sole survivor change to not need the target to die to still get the heal. DRK was really good in the past but now its just ok. Not bad but slightly outdated.

An admin will move this thread to the Tank thread and it will get lost in the echo chamber. It they were going to make any improvement to the job they would have done it in 7.0.

[Brightamethyst]

Dark Arts exists because otherwise people would skip pressing TBN entirely so they could squeeze out more more drop of DPS instead. So rather than have a repeat of the SCH Energy Drain fiasco, the devs decided to just let DRKs have their cake and eat it too, by letting letting them double dip on the MP use.

[Vanitax]

Yeah, the state of DRK right now is pretty sad. I started playing in 4.55 (more or less when they announced NieR Alliance raids). So I don't really know how DRK was in HW and SB, but at least I found it fun in ShB. Then in EW it was more of the same with good QoL and good damage in exchange of less defensive tools. Then Abyssos happened and since then all jobs have to deal same DPS if not people get offended, and they call it Job balance... When is that possible if you have WAR dealing the same damage as all tanks while also having best mitigation and healing among them? It makes no sense. But these are just the least of DRK issues right now. It's just watching old abilities, what these abilities did and how the job played and... yeah I get why people is mad. DRK plays almost the same as WAR and PLD. Only fun tank right now is GNB.

With Dawntrail I got the idea the changes they did to previous abilities in all jobs were made so people who doesn't main those jobs and don't care about it more than levelling and playing it from time to time in normal content can feel good at them. Look at MNK: they removed buffs and debuffs timers and change it for a ball system that maintains the combo loop more or less the same but removes all difficulty and decision making the job had in the past. They have already removed all positional back then, and now what made the job fun for me (even if I don't play it often). With DRK they did the same: removed the heavy double weaving during burst that made the job somewhat fun if we considered how simple rotation was outside burst, fused Blood Weapon and Delirium which is welcome, but reduced MP generation and removed Living Shadow 50 Blood Gauge cost; changes that no one asked and people who main DRK like.

They said they're planning to do a gameplay update for 8.0, issue is that I can't get hyped if they're making all jobs so easy to play so the minimal braincell player can feel good at them removing all gratification it was given when you took the time to engage and learn the job properly. I agree all roles should have one job that's super easy to play but don't make more than half of jobs play in a way you just press shiny buttons and refresh cooldowns.

[daydreamdrooler]

I am late to a lot of these threads as I dont normally post on forums but figured I'd throw this out there. I made a sheet of drk changes I think would be cool and bring drk up to a place that makes it truly stand out on its own. my changes still need tweaking so any imput would be great. If enough ppl think these are cool changes to the job hopefully square sees it and put some in to the game. here is the sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?gid=0#gid=0