Frontlines: Leechers and Feeders

[Menriq]

It does matter cause your reaching and your logic is trash. You're correlating equipment worn to player performance which is extremely stupid.

You are correlating player performance to your own standard. Not sure I would say that is any better.

Also, SE has set the duty requirement for Arcadia and a person with artifact gear is allowed to queue into based on the requirements set.

SE has the duty set that anyone can queue based on the requirements set. Nowhere is there a requirement for a specific performance.

If the person was running tank busters into the party, or constantly throwing themselves off the side of the arena. I would absolutely report them.

Nothing you have provided indicates they doing nothing. I see assists, damage done, and healing. Once again, you are holding them to your standard.

Neat part is, you can also vote kick the offending player which a lot of times you cannot do in PvP because they're in another group.

Same thing can happen in Alliance Raid. If their group doesn't see it as an issue, not sure where you get to be the decision maker.

[JuicyHeals]

Based on those stats they dont have standards at all. Also I'm with OP Pve or PvP doesn't matter have some respect for others and try to play the game mode. No one's asking for PvP Gods but at least try not to grief ya own team.

[Archeron]

Any system that gets implemented to reward performance is primed for abuse. The least worst option of them all would be rewards as you play, Exp for kills, captures, assists, and based on placement a multiplier gets added to the experience you gain at the end of the match. (1x, 1.2x, 1.5x) Needless to say Dark Knight meta needs to go before that can happen, and I'd wipe out Battle high or modify it to make BH V more vulnerable to being killed in exchange for more DPS.

The other half of this is the players who cry ignorance. Mandatory PvP tutorials need to be implemented before ANYONE is allowed into PvP. The bare basics at a minimum such as recuperate, guard, purify ect. That way, ignorance will be no excuse, and if people chose to sit around the entire match doing nothing, they'll recieve nothing.

[Mawlzy]

Any system that gets implemented to reward performance is primed for abuse. The least worst option of them all would be rewards as you play, Exp for kills, captures, assists, and based on placement a multiplier gets added to the experience you gain at the end of the match. (1x, 1.2x, 1.5x) Needless to say Dark Knight meta needs to go before that can happen, and I'd wipe out Battle high or modify it to make BH V more vulnerable to being killed in exchange for more DPS.

The other half of this is the players who cry ignorance. Mandatory PvP tutorials need to be implemented before ANYONE is allowed into PvP. The bare basics at a minimum such as recuperate, guard, purify ect. That way, ignorance will be no excuse, and if people chose to sit around the entire match doing nothing, they'll recieve nothing.

This would be the kind of approach that would have a chance of working, but I'm already imagining the Discord mafia figuring out the meta comp that min-maxes it.
And if it turns out to involve stacking SCH or something, it's a pound to a penny you'll get said Discord mafia Q-synching in and ruining the matches. Someone would inevitably write a guide on "How to maximize your rewards multiplier in FL," and in the current meta at least we can imagine what that'd produce.

I'd suggest the advantage to matchmaking over match-based rewards is you filter out the non-combatants before the match even starts. It would also act as a training ground for new players if you were compelled to play your first X matches in the lowest skill tier. SQEX always gives players something for engaging in content, and I don't seem them changing that base philosophy. It likely requires smaller teams, which IMO has other advantages in terms of quality of play.

[Mistress_Irika]

Stats alone isn't going to cut it. I can have the highest damage in the entire room and still go 1-4-2 simply because the team got farmed the entire time. Looking at what you provided I can only see 2 people at most who went and intentionally feed. There is also another who refused to heal themselves or got caught and instantly died, but that's normal.

With that said, there are people that do be 'running it mid' and intentionally feeding. It's not as noticeable as AFKing, but it's there. Too bad that video form will not be accepted. Been going on since ShB. I don't think the issue will go away anytime soon whether you like it or not. If people are going to let AFK sliding and not care about it why would they care about intentional feeding in the first place? After all, most is saying not to take the game serious in the first place.

[Mawlzy]

While there is a perception that the match is decided by team assignment and who got the premade, you'll have people throwing to make their loss come quicker.

[Silaryn]

While there is a perception that the match is decided by team assignment and who got the premade, you'll have people throwing to make their loss come quicker.

The people throwing don’t want to play pvp in the first place. Premades are just their current excuse. Get rid of premades and they’re still going to throw; they will just have a different excuse. People will only stop throwing if they get penalized for it.

[Mawlzy]

The people throwing don’t want to play pvp in the first place. Premades are just their current excuse. Get rid of premades and they’re still going to throw; they will just have a different excuse. People will only stop throwing if they get penalized for it.

MMR provides a penalty that they'll get put in matches with other people who don't want to be there. Can you imagine how popular spectator mode would be? 72 people not doing anything at all. Epic.

Given that apparently some of you have figured out how to report such players, do we know if anyone has ever suffered any repercussions for doing nothing/throwing in FL? I realize the GMs won't report back on complaints because that would be helpful, but I'd be amazed if SQEX has ever taken action for FL AFKers and throwers.

And I'd be equally amazed if that changed.

[MisterNublet]

It was never about gear, but I'm guessing you didn't get what I was trying to say, so let me rephrase it. You are upset at the effort people are putting into PvP. However, if you are going into content with others and not putting materia in the gear, then someone could also question your effort. Since there is nothing in PvP nor PvE that explicitly references performance / effort, this is all subjective. Hopefully now you get the point.

Your previous post.

...because they were queuing up for Arcadian in artifact gear and not having materia in their gear?

Are they doing their dps rotation, or just standing around and only auto attacking the boss?

Doesn't matter.

It was 100% about the gear.

I can give you ample time to delete this post if you like because it's just as dumb as when you were comparing gear to player participation in a duty.

I'll even do ya a favor and delete this post too once yours is gone.

The offer still stands.

[Menriq]

Your previous post.







It was 100% about the gear.

I can see where you think it's about gear, and that's on me for not wording it in a better manner. Artifact gear is level 99. You can get better gear from the 100 dungeons, tome gear, etc. Even if you went with artifact gear, there is no materia. So what I was trying to say, and put that in my last response, was about the effort. You want people to put effort into PvP and hold them to your standards and not let them get rewarded, then you can't in turn be upset if someone in PvE wanted to withhold rewards from you from not meeting their subjective standards.

If you want to argue about afking, I'm 100% with you. But unless it's 100% objective, there is not going to be any way to determine who should and shouldn't get rewards.