[Spoiler] Did they forget Porxies exist?

[No_Nick_Needed]

When we met the child oversaturated with lightning eather, did the writers forget, that we've already cured this?
With Angelo and his fellow Porxies, we cures light-overaspecting in the First and various elemental oversaturations of tempered in the Source.
To me it sounds like pretty much the same issue, he's essentially a tempered without a master, in a manner of speaking.

[MikkoAkure]

When we met the child oversaturated with lightning eather, did the writers forget, that we've already cured this?
With Angelo and his fellow Porxies, we cures light-overaspecting in the First and various elemental oversaturations of tempered in the Source.
To me it sounds like pretty much the same issue, he's essentially a tempered without a master, in a manner of speaking.

I’m pretty sure it’s going to come up again in the patch MSQ since they bothered showing it and they have an apartment we can visit in-game.

But it’s not like the characters are walking around with pocket porxies we can use at any time either.

[CNitsah]

But it’s not like the characters are walking around with pocket porxies we can use at any time either.

Is this sarcasm? It's hard to say when written. Because there is litterally Alisaie in the city at that moment.

[Cleretic]

I actually think it's presumptive that this is even curable via porxie. There's a couple ways that I could easily see that not working (not even 'failing', just 'not even baseline viable'). In ascending order of plausibility in my mind:

1. Tempering and light corruption is essentially the aetheric equivalent of an infection; that's an extant, foreign and directed influence on the body, something that can be targeted and quashed. If that lightning sickness is instead more environmental, akin to something like hypothermia, then there's just nothing to fight or remove.
2. Curing tempering and light corruption wasn't being done while the things causing it are still around. If you cure this imbalance of lightning aether caused by the environment, while the environment is still exactly the same... I mean, you haven't really done anything.
3. We know that once physical changes manifest, curing tempering doesn't help. (It's not made clear if it's 'we can't fix that part' or 'at this point they're uncurable'.) In those cases physical changes were visible changes, but I think an incurable medical disorder is absolutely a 'physical change'.

Are all these presumptive? Yes, and I'd certainly like a little side-story discussing it officially. But I think narratively speaking, it's pretty clear that we were being faced with something tragically unfixable; that there's nothing Sphene, or anyone in her kingdom, can do about this. So logically, a story about trying to solve this with a porxie wouldn't be about 'how does the porxie fix this problem', it would be 'why can the porxie not help, and how do we deal with that'.

[Zakuyia]

I actually think it's presumptive that this is even curable via porxie. There's a couple ways that I could easily see that not working (not even 'failing', just 'not even baseline viable'). In ascending order of plausibility in my mind:

1. Tempering and light corruption is essentially the aetheric equivalent of an infection; that's an extant, foreign and directed influence on the body, something that can be targeted and quashed. If that lightning sickness is instead more environmental, akin to something like hypothermia, then there's just nothing to fight or remove.
2. Curing tempering and light corruption wasn't being done while the things causing it are still around. If you cure this imbalance of lightning aether caused by the environment, while the environment is still exactly the same... I mean, you haven't really done anything.
3. We know that once physical changes manifest, curing tempering doesn't help. (It's not made clear if it's 'we can't fix that part' or 'at this point they're uncurable'.) In those cases physical changes were visible changes, but I think an incurable medical disorder is absolutely a 'physical change'.

Are all these presumptive? Yes, and I'd certainly like a little side-story discussing it officially. But I think narratively speaking, it's pretty clear that we were being faced with something tragically unfixable; that there's nothing Sphene, or anyone in her kingdom, can do about this. So logically, a story about trying to solve this with a porxie wouldn't be about 'how does the porxie fix this problem', it would be 'why can the porxie not help, and how do we deal with that'.

Ima have to call bull shit on this. It fully explained this is caused by the body shifting to lightning side of the aether meaning that yeah porxie can fix this your body has to be align to balance. Now if it follows same rules as tempering meaning the time limit then yeah i can see this not working but yeah this can be fixed totally.

[No_Nick_Needed]

Even if it's not possible, I still think it should have at least been discussed, among the Scions after meeting the boy of course. No need to get the mother's hope up, with something that might just be a wild theory. The similarities of the conditions are striking enough that someone should at least think of it. As for pocket porxies... yeah, they kind of are. We've seen Alisaie summon Angelo literally from thin air, like a summoner brings out a Carbuncle or a Scholar their Eos/Selene. I'd be surprised if Alisaie has Angelo stored somewhere at home... if such a thing is even possible.

In regards to physical changes, if I remember correctly, the only tempered that were beyond saving, where those that were visibly mutated, which isn't the case for the child... yet. He doesn't even have glowing eyes, though since the light-infected didn't have those either, I suspect that glowing eyes are a sign of the connection to a primal, rather than the first visible change of the body.

For the enviromental angle, there is an even easier remedy (or at least an attempt of one) than a Porxie: Putting the boy on a strecher and carrying him the 15 or so minutes through what's left of Vanguard and outside the lightning dome, where they have lots and lots of elementally balanced room. Of couse he'll need an escort, so the monsters don't snack on him, but between the WoL, Scions and Hunters, that should be easy enough to arrange.

That is, if it's even necessary. I suspect that the reason why the Alexandria/Erenville's village overlap was overloaded with lightning and stayed that way for 30 years, was the open portal to the lightning flooded reflection and/or the lightning dome, or maybe the different flow of time. Now this portal is closed and Alexandria is in temporal sync with the Source (or however you wanna call it), it could be, that over time the excess lightning will sort of leech into the surroundings, bringing the area back into elemental balance. Though more likely, we'll need to shut down the lighting dome for that first, which sounds like something we would do in a .x patch MSQ.

I certainly hope that both the dome and the condition of the boy and the others like him, will be picked up, almost as much as I'm looking forward to diving deeper into the Tender Valley - Rhonkar connection, hopefully with a tie-in for Amdapor Keep, since they also had statues similar to things found in the First.

[MikkoAkure]

Is this sarcasm? It's hard to say when written. Because there is litterally Alisaie in the city at that moment.

Where is she keeping it then?

I find it very difficult to believe that Alisae is walking around with a porxie “just in case”, considering their size, fragility (they’re made of clay), and unwieldiness. We don’t see one at any moment in the expansion and it’s not like she has extra-dimensional pockets. They’re being used back in Eorzea to heal the otherwise incurably ill so it seems frivolous to bring one on vacation to the other side of the world.

Also, summoning primals meant to temper seems to be isolated to just locations where Ascians were getting involved, which is just the 3 Great Continents plus Meracydia. There would be no reason to bring a porxie across the sea to cure tempering where tempering doesn’t exist and that sick boy with levin sickness didn’t even exist on the Source until after his city suffused with lightning aether randomly appeared, which no one could have foresaw.

[No_Nick_Needed]

Where is she keeping it then?

I find it very difficult to believe that Alisae is walking around with a porxie “just in case”, considering their size, fragility (they’re made of clay), and unwieldiness. We don’t see one at any moment in the expansion and it’s not like she has extra-dimensional pockets. They’re being used back in Eorzea to heal the otherwise incurably ill so it seems frivolous to bring one on vacation to the other side of the world.

Also, summoning primals meant to temper seems to be isolated to just locations where Ascians were getting involved, which is just the 3 Great Continents plus Meracydia. There would be no reason to bring a porxie across the sea to cure tempering where tempering doesn’t exist and that sick boy with levin sickness didn’t even exist on the Source until after his city suffused with lightning aether randomly appeared, which no one could have foresaw.

We see Alisaie summon Angelo from thin air on multiple occasions and we were literally right there with her, when she created Angelo...
It might be different for the mass-produced Porxies, that Matoya's Porxy Queen "birthed" and which were distributed to the alliance, but Angelo is just aether given form, like Summoner Carbuncles and Scholar Fairies.

[kaynide]

As Cleretic pointed out, it’s likely something atmospheric rather than in the boy causing the problem.

Fortunately we already have something that supposedly blocks certain aetheric effects in Vrtra’s talisman scales.

I suspect that would be the best in game lore friendly route to use, but I also expect the game to just have Koana to have some kind of miracle cure we’ve never even heard of before ready to go, but totally hand waves the problem away.

Something like “oh yeah didn’t you know this here Pelupelu tea just happens to dampen Lightning aether! Go figure!”

[Cleretic]

I suspect that would be the best in game lore friendly route to use, but I also expect the game to just have Koana to have some kind of miracle cure we’ve never even heard of before ready to go, but totally hand waves the problem away.

Something like “oh yeah didn’t you know this here Pelupelu tea just happens to dampen Lightning aether! Go figure!”

I feel like if this problem actually is fixed, it's going to be something like this, although I very much doubt it'll be a 'hand-wave' solution.

A logical next step of the MSQ is probably exploring the new neighboring relationship between Tural and Alexandria. And while diplomatic relations are important and what the story's currently been on the level of, it does make sense that the next step would be 'so what can we do for each other', and Tural having the tools or expertise to solve a very Alexandrian problem is actually a pretty solid angle.

It'd especially be a neat focus for a Koana story, as he'd be faced with the fact that maybe his own country's not a dumb backwater that needs help from everyone else; that they've got things to offer. That'd have to be a real story to explore it, though, you wouldn't just handwave it. Especially because it's honestly a really minor element; if they just wanted to go 'don't worry about it' they'd be more likely to ignore it completely than to give it a cheap answer.