I'm unsubbing over the Viper changes

[gllt]

I mean I'm back on the forums and I'm not playing the game because of the eye strain issues. But I need to pay my sub to post on the forums.

They kind of make it hard to leave. You can't give feedback once you do. And you have to give them your money to do it.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

They kind of make it hard to leave. You can't give feedback once you do. And you have to give them your money to do it.

They don't get your feedback even when you do lol, don't resub just for this.

[gllt]

They don't get your feedback even when you do lol, don't resub just for this.

Well it's the feedback forums so I want to use them for what they're for.

Just because other people don't think the feedback gets taken or read here doesn't really mean anything to me. Like, thanks for the concern about my finances, but the sub money is worth it to call out Square for me. They made the game worse for photosensitive players and I don't like that, for others and not just for me.

I'm told unsubbing will and won't do anything and they listen to everyone and also don't and every other conflicting statement baaack and forth over and over from other players so I'm kind of over these responses. I'm told I need to unsub to hurt their bottom line but that also it won't matter.

If I don't give feedback because they won't listen, or unsubscribe so I can't post, I think everyone replying to me would be bored with no one to yell "stop giving feedback! they don't listen!" at in every thread, honestly.

Like I have other plans to give feedback outside the forums but if they AREN'T reading the feedback on here, that needs to be addressed then too.

I'm not oblivious to what you're suggesting, I just think you're wasting as much time as I am. Clearly people have very little to do if they have time to tell me my feedback doesn't matter or anyone else's.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

I think this is a bit misplaced. Not that I'm saying there isn't good reason to be upset, hell I used to main BLM and I still cry about the loss of Enochian dancing. I get it, this detracts from the complexity that made the job enjoyable for some people regardless of how the class performs. But I want to stress that I believe this change to be a result of the debuff and buff limits of given entities in the game and them trying to find a way to get ahead of that issue before the bullet lands:

They literally made it worse, since it was replaced with a buff when Viper already had several buffs.

If they actually wanted to address buff/debuff limits remove it entirely or remove something actually vestigial like Circle of Scorn/Bow Shock. It was explicitly stated to be a move to streamline Viper not the debuff limit.

"We've received feedback that viper's unique combo system, and the managing of its combo routes, have proven relatively difficult to handle compared to other melee DPS jobs. We believe one of the reasons for this has to do with the actions Dread Fangs and its status effect Noxious Gnash..."

[Sivante]

They literally made it worse, since it was replaced with a buff when Viper already had several buffs.

If they actually wanted to address buff/debuff limits remove it entirely or remove something actually vestigial like Circle of Scorn/Bow Shock. It was explicitly stated to be a move to streamline Viper not the debuff limit.

"We've received feedback that viper's unique combo system, and the managing of its combo routes, have proven relatively difficult to handle compared to other melee DPS jobs. We believe one of the reasons for this has to do with the actions Dread Fangs and its status effect Noxious Gnash..."

You're absolutely right: I'm just trying to give the most charitable translation of what I've seen. Only logical, charitable walk away I can find is that they are removing it for the debuff limit, likely in mind of internal-only information about the upcoming job changes and directions.

I know that's a weak argument, but again I'm doing my best to try to be charitable here on a decision that otherwise seems entirely senseless and ignorant.

Either way this really does come back to Class designers more than anything, I believe.

[AddictedToWitches]

You'll be back, you're here forever

[kajv95]

I prefer the new Viper myself, wasn't a big fan of the silly totally-not-a-dot on Reaper and wasn't a fan of it here.

That being said, I'd have been fine not playing it and having you guys who actually play melee dps more than once in a blue moon enjoy it more, so... yeah, sorry it ended up like this

[Dorito_Burrito]

Admittedly I've not gotten very far with VPR at all, but the amount of outcry I'm seeing from Noxious Gnash being removed is something I'd expect from a mechanic like Aetherflow being removed from SMN/SCH. Can't say it really made much of an impression on me beyond being "Death's Design if it were snake".

[Azurarok]

The moves that renew it not being regularly available like Death's Design put a different spin on it that made it a little more interesting than Death's Design imo.

I wasn't great at managing it but it still felt nice.