I'm unsubbing over the Viper changes

[caffe_macchiato]

Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd. won't change anything. They already got your money, and if people unsubscribe, they'll just write it off as being normal for after an expansion. Things in Square Enix haven't been going well for a long time and any talent from CBU3 is transferred to other projects to recuperate the company's lost revenue. Yoshida is no longer making direct decisions, which explains why BLM, MNK and VPR have received lobotomies. The MSQ is terrible and people are now getting stuck in log-in limbo because DC travel has been shut down. Hopefully a buyout is near so that the company can afford to retain some of its talent.

[Equitable_Remedy]

I'm staying subbed because I'm still having fun with the game and because NIN is one of my favorite classes from any MMO. Sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[CerusSerenade]

See you in 3 months

More likely just a week, but you'll be right either way.

[gllt]

I mean I'm back on the forums and I'm not playing the game because of the eye strain issues. But I need to pay my sub to post on the forums.

They kind of make it hard to leave. You can't give feedback once you do. And you have to give them your money to do it.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

They kind of make it hard to leave. You can't give feedback once you do. And you have to give them your money to do it.

They don't get your feedback even when you do lol, don't resub just for this.

[gllt]

They don't get your feedback even when you do lol, don't resub just for this.

Well it's the feedback forums so I want to use them for what they're for.

Just because other people don't think the feedback gets taken or read here doesn't really mean anything to me. Like, thanks for the concern about my finances, but the sub money is worth it to call out Square for me. They made the game worse for photosensitive players and I don't like that, for others and not just for me.

I'm told unsubbing will and won't do anything and they listen to everyone and also don't and every other conflicting statement baaack and forth over and over from other players so I'm kind of over these responses. I'm told I need to unsub to hurt their bottom line but that also it won't matter.

If I don't give feedback because they won't listen, or unsubscribe so I can't post, I think everyone replying to me would be bored with no one to yell "stop giving feedback! they don't listen!" at in every thread, honestly.

Like I have other plans to give feedback outside the forums but if they AREN'T reading the feedback on here, that needs to be addressed then too.

I'm not oblivious to what you're suggesting, I just think you're wasting as much time as I am. Clearly people have very little to do if they have time to tell me my feedback doesn't matter or anyone else's.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

I think this is a bit misplaced. Not that I'm saying there isn't good reason to be upset, hell I used to main BLM and I still cry about the loss of Enochian dancing. I get it, this detracts from the complexity that made the job enjoyable for some people regardless of how the class performs. But I want to stress that I believe this change to be a result of the debuff and buff limits of given entities in the game and them trying to find a way to get ahead of that issue before the bullet lands:

They literally made it worse, since it was replaced with a buff when Viper already had several buffs.

If they actually wanted to address buff/debuff limits remove it entirely or remove something actually vestigial like Circle of Scorn/Bow Shock. It was explicitly stated to be a move to streamline Viper not the debuff limit.

"We've received feedback that viper's unique combo system, and the managing of its combo routes, have proven relatively difficult to handle compared to other melee DPS jobs. We believe one of the reasons for this has to do with the actions Dread Fangs and its status effect Noxious Gnash..."

[AddictedToWitches]

You'll be back, you're here forever

[Sivante]

They literally made it worse, since it was replaced with a buff when Viper already had several buffs.

If they actually wanted to address buff/debuff limits remove it entirely or remove something actually vestigial like Circle of Scorn/Bow Shock. It was explicitly stated to be a move to streamline Viper not the debuff limit.

"We've received feedback that viper's unique combo system, and the managing of its combo routes, have proven relatively difficult to handle compared to other melee DPS jobs. We believe one of the reasons for this has to do with the actions Dread Fangs and its status effect Noxious Gnash..."

You're absolutely right: I'm just trying to give the most charitable translation of what I've seen. Only logical, charitable walk away I can find is that they are removing it for the debuff limit, likely in mind of internal-only information about the upcoming job changes and directions.

I know that's a weak argument, but again I'm doing my best to try to be charitable here on a decision that otherwise seems entirely senseless and ignorant.

Either way this really does come back to Class designers more than anything, I believe.

[AngaratoSvartberg]

I mean I would say there is quite a difference between insulting someone who is going out of there way to insult people in every one of these posts, and berating people because they don't share the same opinion as you. It would be hypocritical if I came in here and started insulting people or you for no reason, I explicitly told you why I've been insulting you, you came in here to simply to disparage not only the poster but people who share the view that the change was bad. OP was very civil and you came in here acting like a petulant child, because instead of disagreeing with the poster, which would be totally okay, you wanted to instead belittle anyone who shared his opinion. This is why I called you out when you started calling other players bad, because this in itself is the most hypocritical thing in this thread. Theoretically of course.

so you share the same main character syndrom as the OP. its probably why you felt personally offended and felt like you needed to take action. its adorable really that you think you actually matter. you're just entertainement. nothing you say or do will actually change anything. you think ill change my ways and apologize cause some know it all forumjunkie "calls me out" lol. you can keep wasting your time trying if you want or you can move on and respond to others.