Mastercrafts Consumables Pls Nerf

[Rinalas]

Also, welcome to MMORPGs. These sorts of "Spend lots of gil, or lots of time" to get your consumables is a thing in every single mmo.

Sure, just how "You need to make an entirely separate character in order to play a different class" is a thing in every single mmo. Just because something always has been that way doesn't mean it always needs to be forever and all eternity. As the consumers, we can dictate what we want our experience to be. Square isn't a small dev with an artistic vision and a drive to see that through, they're a huge corporation whose only interest is in making money.

There is this cool thing called merc runs, join PFs paying people to have lootmaster turned on.

They do exist but they're not very common on my data centers that I've seen (EN on JP/OCE) and they do not reward that much. Usually they'll be 200k per person if the extreme mount drops, and we know how likely that is (this also assumes they buyer is honest and thus requires a lot of trust). Also to consider: what about when I play with my static? Most of my time isn't spent in PF, it's playing with my friends or people I enjoy in discord.

[faiarrow]

The internet hands crafting to you on a platter now regarding creating items.
You can find pre-written macros for *everything* so you can 100% braindead it if you're that determined to make it all yourself.

I enjoy crafting, I've written all my own macros from my own testing because I enjoy the puzzle of it and mathing it out, and once it's perfected I just put on something I've been wanting to watch and craft and craft and craft. It's not hard, and it's a fantastic post-raid wind down when everyone else has signed off. I work full time and still have time to do the battle content I want to do/need those items for and craft them myself.

Could be worse, at least pots are made in stacks of 3...

Either get over your grievance and put in the hard yakka, or just buy them. You're circling a non-argument because you want the devs to cater just to your thought that crafting is boring; I'm sorry if the dev team can't even fix the GFX issues and current actual bugs causing issues they're not going to consider watering down crafters any further just for one person who is being lazy.

[ApolloGenX]

It IS true that in many games raiding drops items worth a lot either as loot or rare craft materials..... then groups either sell those for raid funds (which can be used to purchase consumables for everyone)... or used to make other stuff for the guild.

Usually, raiding is not just a money sink......time sink....yes.

[Plumerian_Ariadust]

They do exist but they're not very common on my data centers that I've seen (EN on JP/OCE) and they do not reward that much. Usually they'll be 200k per person if the extreme mount drops, and we know how likely that is (this also assumes they buyer is honest and thus requires a lot of trust). Also to consider: what about when I play with my static? Most of my time isn't spent in PF, it's playing with my friends or people I enjoy in discord.

Basing on your character displayed next to you profile we play in the same Dataceneter, Elemental, and i'm calling you out on this BS. I have been playing since early access and looked around partyfinder for extreme runs, before 7.05 merc PF runs advertised 1M~2M esp for the new extremes.
Also i have given a long ass list on battle content you could do to make gil but you seemingly ignored that because "Iwant cheaper and free stuff", Find a crafter friend and ask them for stuff.
Currently you can sell the tomestone materials for gil and they're worth a sum (Prices as of writing/Elemental)
Airbright Coolant : 24k/pc
Pelupelu Yarn: 24k/pc
Potsworn Abrasive : 24k/pc
Xbr'aal Varnish : 23.8k/pc
Purussaurus Skin: 24k/pc
Glossy Dried Aether : 21.9k/pc

And you could even sell materias you're getting passively thru spiritbond

Aim, Might, EyeXII's are about 22k
Aim, Might, Eye XI's are 30k+

Would have been more expensive a few days ago but if you have been selling this you might have been able to bank gil to buy consumables when they were cheaper. ie Moqueca was around 30kish a piece when savage dropped and now it hangs around 4-5k and potions are in a similar situation 30-40kish when savage dropped but now hovering between 9k-13k.

I know a few friends that play for a few hours at night and they aren't complaining about consumable being expensive rather they just shut up and do stuff to make gil. Hell one even saved up for 2 weeks to get the 7.5m for the drone/bike in S9

[hydralus]

Basing on your character displayed next to you profile we play in the same Dataceneter, Elemental, and i'm calling you out on this BS. I have been playing since early access and looked around partyfinder for extreme runs, before 7.05 merc PF runs advertised 1M~2M esp for the new extremes.
Also i have given a long ass list on battle content you could do to make gil but you seemingly ignored that because "Iwant cheaper and free stuff", Find a crafter friend and ask them for stuff.
Currently you can sell the tomestone materials for gil and they're worth a sum (Prices as of writing/Elemental)
Airbright Coolant : 24k/pc
Pelupelu Yarn: 24k/pc
Potsworn Abrasive : 24k/pc
Xbr'aal Varnish : 23.8k/pc
Purussaurus Skin: 24k/pc
Glossy Dried Aether : 21.9k/pc

And you could even sell materias you're getting passively thru spiritbond

Aim, Might, EyeXII's are about 22k
Aim, Might, Eye XI's are 30k+

Would have been more expensive a few days ago but if you have been selling this you might have been able to bank gil to buy consumables when they were cheaper. ie Moqueca was around 30kish a piece when savage dropped and now it hangs around 4-5k and potions are in a similar situation 30-40kish when savage dropped but now hovering between 9k-13k.

I know a few friends that play for a few hours at night and they aren't complaining about consumable being expensive rather they just shut up and do stuff to make gil. Hell one even saved up for 2 weeks to get the 7.5m for the drone/bike in S9

No, you see, the guy only wants to do 4 fights in the whole game and wants to ignore the rest. Anything else is just tedium. The other players who enjoy having a functional economy to grind/play with? Screw 'em, long as they can enjoy their 4 fights and then log off for 6 months until the next tier..

[Rinalas]

Also i have given a long ass list on battle content you could do to make gil but you seemingly ignored that because "Iwant cheaper and free stuff", Find a crafter friend and ask them for stuff.

I'm not asking others to craft it because I'm not a mooch. I recognize that these items take a lot of resources and a significant amount of time. Just because I think the system is whack and needs to be tweaked doesn't mean I'm going to ask for it for free from other players who have spent their entire evenings wasting away for this stuff.
I'll admit that it's not unlikely I am inaccurate on the frequency of selling PFs. I don't watch PF all day every day and most of my raid experience is with friends or people I know because that's significantly more enjoyable than silent pugging. Regardless if they were in higher frequency, I don't see why that has to be the only way and no other way for end-game content to be profitable can even be considered.

I ignored your suggestion about other "battle content" because yeah, other battle content in this game is boring as hell. The new DREX dungeons are a cut above the usual but that is to say I can still heal them one handed. There's still never really the threat of a wipe. There's 0 challenge in it or reason to not just have a video on the second monitor in the hopes of being moderately entertained. I don't see it being much better than crafting in terms of the "entertainment factor". Maybe if jobs hadn't been watered down to hell and the battle content hadn't been nerfed like crazy, but here we are.

And like, good for your friends for not bothering to complain with a clearly flawed system? What, they get a medal for not daring to critize our Square overlords or something? There isn't a sound logic behind "Well someone else endures it silently, so you should too."

No, you see, the guy only wants to do 4 fights in the whole game and wants to ignore the rest. Anything else is just tedium. The other players who enjoy having a functional economy to grind/play with? Screw 'em, long as they can enjoy their 4 fights and then log off for 6 months until the next tier..

You can have your grind and your economy but I don't see why it has to so drastically affect raid content. Keep your little sugar glider mount that needs 50k gemstones from FATES. Keep your furniture and housing items. Keep your orchestrions. Keep your minions. Keep all the stuff from treasure maps. Keep your glam trades. Why can't those who enjoy end-game content have a commodity of value to trade back just for consumables? Is that really so outlandish for you to comprehend?

[Rinalas]

Either get over your grievance and put in the hard yakka, or just buy them. You're circling a non-argument because you want the devs to cater just to your thought that crafting is boring; I'm sorry if the dev team can't even fix the GFX issues and current actual bugs causing issues they're not going to consider watering down crafters any further just for one person who is being lazy.

Well I mean, they already butchered viper to cater to a few chumps who were too lazy to apply a debuff so it doesn't sound so outlandish to me... they apparently don't have anything better to do than watering down how stuff is played. Also like, again, why shouldn't I be lazy? Why should a game have to feel like we have a virtual job in order to play it? I'm not even saying "I want X glam, why can't it be cheaper!? Other people should just give it to me for free after they worked for it!" I'm saying "I want to take part in the gameplay of the game and don't see why the system should be built in such a way that I need to do chores for hours every single week in order to play."

Honestly if you want to talk "hard yakka" I'd even prefer if I could just pay $5 on mogstation and get 500 pots or something. We can do that with dyes, why not potions too? It's not something I'd be happy with since it reeks of seedy business practices like many KMMOs, but it would still be preferable to a forced grind if the price is reasonable.

[Packetdancer]

I agree bring back retainers selling things in the open instead then they can experience a real grind

I'm a little late to the party here, since this comment was several days ago, but...

If I ever have to deal with 1.x market wards again I will genuinely burn something down. I'm not sure what I'll be burning down, but something will be in flames. This I swear to you.